This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting fact). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below). Because of WP:DYKTIMEOUT, a nomination should be reviewed within two months since the reviewer/promoter may agree to reject and close an unpromoted hook after that time has passed.
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page or with the closer, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances. If your nomination was promoted, but it hasn't reached the main page after two weeks, you can also query this on the DYK discussion page.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For more information on the DYK rules and review processes, see the DYK guidelines and the reviewer instructions.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
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Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed= to |passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
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insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
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To [[TM:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
To [[TM:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the nomination you would like to remove.
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
Alternatively, you can use PSHAW, which automates the process.
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
I added a single tag; I thought the tables were poorly sourced as well because the citations are blue on blue. Suggest that you change that.--Launchballer14:51, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'll give this a review. This is long enough and new enough and you're exempt from providing a QPQ. Earwig is clean. I expressly reject the image on this nomination per WP:DYKDIVERT. There are two "needs update" tags in the last table and although they're not technically a DYK issue, please resolve them anyway. I'm also not convinced either of the hooks meet WP:DYKINT as they require knowledge of what Hiram College/NCAA are and suggest something like ALT2: ... that national championships in men's college basketball date back to at least the 1890s?, for which I'd need a new reviewer.--Launchballer18:39, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I don't think anything is waiting for me (the nominator) to resolve? Please let me know if there is or if I was supposed to provide anything else. "However, if a nomination timed out while it was waiting for a review or a re-review, consider reviewing the nomination rather than rejecting it." This is my first DYK nomination. Thanks PK-WIKI (talk) 04:07, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It would seem to be waiting for a review or a re-review of the new hook that Launchballer suggested. Also, given that they did not actually Approve/Query/Maybe/Reject the nomination, nor notify the nominator, it's still waiting for an initial review... PK-WIKI (talk) 04:32, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Olympic Gold Medalist Hidilyn Diaz was included in a matrix which lists the personalities who wanted to impeach Then-President Rodrigo Duterte?
Not a review, but I'm concerned that this hook is a WP:DYKBLP problem? we're making a hook about an allegation of someone being included in a conspiracy that they've denied involvement in. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:08, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: Is this good enough? ALT1: ...that the Malacañang Palace released a matrix which reportedly revealed participants in an alleged ouster plot?
"Revealed" is unacceptable here because it connotes that what was revealed is the truth, and this is not canceled by the word 'alleged' (remember, always take into account how people will interpret your writing, not just how they should interpret it). DS (talk) 18:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough, new enough. QPQ checks out and so does Earwig. No reason why this might deserve a maintenace template. Your newest ALT is slightly better (it's been edited to include the word 'reportedly'), although it requires knowledge of what the Malacanang Palace is.--Launchballer18:26, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even "reportedly" is too weak (and I'm not thrilled with 'matrix' either). What about:
ALT2: ...that the Malacañang Palace released a diagram which it claimed revealed participants in an alleged ouster plot?
ALT2a: ... that in 2019, the Malacañang Palace released a diagram which it claimed revealed participants in an alleged ouster plot against Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte?
Malacanang Palace is the Philippine equivalent of the White House, so maybe the context is there even if international readership does not recognize the name (hence why it is important to mention "Philippine president" in the hook). Other than that, I'm not sure if this angle is workable: "the Office of the President of the Philippines... against President" sounds redundant. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:49, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Technically this was not a new article but split from Alleged ouster plots against Rodrigo Duterte. There probably should have been some attribution mentioned in the original creation over the redirect as some content got moved from that page (although it was substantially reworked so not a direct copy paste). As such I wouldn't consider this "new". The amount of text is also not a five time expansion of the text that once existed there as it is not all that much longer. However, since this split article passed a GA review in the nomination window it is eligible for DYK as a new GA article. The article appears to be within policy. No copyright violations detected. ALT3 seems interesting and usable. The only problem I see is that the ALT3 hook fact is not directly stated in this language in the article. Reading between the lines, the facts contained in the hook are present with inline citations to reliable sources but not stated so obviously in the body that it is ready for the DYK tick of approval. I think we need a sentence that says this fact more clearly with an inline citation in order to pass WP:DYKHOOKCITE. This should be a fairly simple fix requiring minor editing. @TheNuggeteer: Let me know when the language of the Alt3 hook fact is more directly stated in the article with an inline citation and I will approve this. Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 20:00, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: New enough, Long enough. Well-souced and neutral, I fixed the duplicate citation. 7.4% on Earwig. Hook is interesting, cited and in the article. QPQ is done. Good to go then. Good Job Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 02:57, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewing for promotion, and I find this hook unsupported and somewhat deceptive. The article says: The game made its debut as an exhibition sport at the 2000 Summer Olympics, and online chess debuted as an esport via Chess.com at the 2023 Olympic Esports Week. Chess has yet to debut as a full official sport at the Olympics. Neither this sentence nor the source supports the claim in the hook that chess appeared at the Olympics, which signifies its being recognized as an official sport. I don't think Olympic Esports Week would be commonly understood by readers as "the Olympics". I would recommend a different hook, perhaps ALT1: ... the 2023 Olympic Esports Series included online chess? Courtesy ping @Miminity and ArtemisiaGentileschiFan:. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ArtemisiaGentileschiFan: But the article says Chess has yet to debut as a full official sport at the Olympics. Do you have a source that describes online chess being included in the Esport Series as making it an Olympic sport? If so, and the article is updated accordingly, I suppose your revised hook would work. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:54, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. And I do not think it is common to refer to exhibition sports at the Olympics as "Olympic sports". The whole point of an exhibition sport is that it is being tried out but it is not (yet) an Olympic event. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat related, but what the IOC considers the Olympics and what the general public thinks so are different. The IOC would consider the Youth Olympic Games as part of the Olympic movement, but most people would not consider the Youth Olympics as "real" Olympics. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:39, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I pointed out above, (1) it is not common to describe exhibition sports or the Esports Series as "Olympic sports," (2) the most recently proposed alternative hook is at odds with the article text, and (3) the source provided by the nominator does not describe chess as an Olympic sport. For these reasons I cannot approve the nominator's proposed alternative. Any reviewer/promoter who feels differently is welcome to reopen and approve, but if it gets approved and promoted to prep as is I would expect it to be pulled before it gets into a queue due to the issues outlined. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:18, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. The ALT1 that I proposed apparently does not have the support of the nominator, but it does have the virtue of being supported by the source and in the article if consensus can be found on that one. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:21, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971 and ArtemisiaGentileschiFan: I'll chime in and say that, if the use of Olympic sport is an issue, the blurb doesn't necessarily have to be about the esport thing. We could consider something like ... the first attempt to include chess at the Olympic Games failed due to "inflexible regulations"? or ... chess was featured at the Olympics as an exhibition sport?. Does that work?
Checking ALT2, I'm not sure if the hook fact as written is supported by the article or the source. The article says that the first "known" attempt to bring chess to the Olympics was in 1924. While plausible given that FIDE was founded that year, are we not sure that there were previous attempts or considerations to make chess an Olympic sport before that? One possible way to get around this could be to rewrite the hook slightly to emphasize FIDE's role, something about FIDE pushing for Olympic inclusion since its 1924 founding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:25, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, we could revisit 9ninety's proposal about inflexible regulations, but to prevent issues with "firsts", we could change it from "the first attempt" to "an early attempt to include". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:53, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A 5x expansion has been verified by DYK check and I did not find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been verified and it is a complete review. The article is long enough for DYK purposes and meets the referencing guidelines.
However, the hook is problematic. Firstly, it is not directly stated in the article: nowhere does it say that it was "marketed with copies signed by Henrietta Stannard". Second, even if the claim was mentioned, it doesn't seem to actually be referenced. Thirdly, and most worryingly, even if those issues were addressed, the hook would not meet WP:DYKINT. The context here is that Winter is actually Stannard's penname, but the average reader may not be familiar with either name, so the connection is lost. Even without the context, the hook does not seem very interesting if the reader is unfamiliar with Stannard and her work (FWIW I've never heard of her prior to this nomination).
My apologies for the delay— my off-wiki life has been tumultuous this week. In the next few days I can look for an alternative hook; there may be something I can add to the article with the film adaptation. I personally don’t think the hook relies on knowing either name (she’s a completely obscure author) but I think it’s interesting that she basically makes her pseudonym useless (which I think the cited ad verifies); I may be able to come up with a better wording for that idea. Regardless I’d appreciate a few days to work on it, please, with my thanks for your thorough review. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, what do you think about ALT1: ...that Henrietta Stannard autographed copies of John Strange Winter’s novel Lady Jennifer?
That phrasing is definitely verified by the ad, which has the headline Autographed Copies of John Strange Winter's Latest Novel and says Mrs. Stannard ("John Strange Winter") will be pleased to send a specially signed copy... My aim is to intrigue someone who has never heard of either name -- I think it's interesting that she's a woman with a male pseudonym who is undermining that pseudonym with her marketing campaign.
Or, perhaps another angle is something like ALT2: ...that Henrietta Stannard bundled her novel Lady Jennifer with promotional materials for John Strange Winter's Toilet Preparations?
I'd have to beef it up in the article a bit but the mail-in autograph promo automatically gave a free copy of Comely Woman with every Lady Jennifer, and elsewhere I've seen info about how this book basically just sold her cosmetics line. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:04, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regrettably, I do not think this Stannard/Strange Winter angle will work out, as the main issue (that the hooks do not make sense or will not interest people who do not know either name or at least the context) remains. I understand what you're trying to get to, but it's not showing in the hook proposals, and given what is in the article, the angle just seems like a non-starter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:16, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't think the cosmetics line part is any better? I didn't think that one relied on the author's names, and in fact we could remove Stannard's name entirely, i.e., ALT3: ... that the novel Lady Jennifer cross-promoted John Strange Winter's Toilet Preparations? (Again, I'd be able to beef up the article properly for that if it seemed like an interesting angle.) I thought "Toilet Preparations" might also be an intriguing product name for a general audience. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:17, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 is a bit of a weird one in that I'm 50-50. On the one hand, it doesn't solve the "you must know who John Strange Winter" issue, but on the other hand, the name itself along with "Toilet Preparations" might be enough to raise attention. I'm undecided at this point, so I think it might be a good idea to ask for a second opinion from one of the usual DYK scrutinizers like RoySmith, Amakuru, Launchballer, etc. I should note that, if ever, only ALT3 is under consideration, and all the other hooks, particularly those involving the name Henrietta Stannard, are rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote all of the film material after the 5x expansion so it's not needed to meet that criteria. Also, I am in the process of merging the articles on the WP:PAGEDECIDE principle that there is no need to have two articles and a DAB for a topic with so little (relatively) to say. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:09, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here since I was pinged above – personally I would not sign off on ALT3. As someone unfamiliar with the subject, the hook as written makes no sense to me. Who is John Strange Winter, and ehat are "Toilet Preparations" (particularly when rendered in title case like this)? And how exactly does the book "cross-promote" them? And then it's not immediately obvious where in the article to look. The words "Toilet" and "cross-promote" don't appear anywhere in the article and it turns out "Toilet Preparations" is actually "J. S. W. Preparations". No offence to anyone, but IMHO it seems a little weak to me to premise the hook on a pun on the word toilet that doesn't even appear in the article.
As an aside, I agree with the comment above that the film article should be redirected to this one, there isn't enough content overall for two separate articles on these closely related topics at this time and WP:NOPAGE would apply for me. It's a pity the WP:BLAR was reverted, it might have to go through AFD or a merge discussion on the talk page. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:08, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for weighing in, and thanks to Narutolovehinata5 for your patience with this one. With regret, I'll withdraw the DYK. It's the first time I've done a 5x expansion of a random historical book without turning up some gold, but they can't all be winners. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 18:30, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @LEvalyn: thanks for the reply, and if you're able to make the hook tally up with something in the article I'll be happy to re-evaluate it... I haven't looked at this in detail, but hopefully either way we can save something from this, no need to throw in the towel just yet! Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 19:25, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's very kind, Amakuru. The article now says To promote the book, Stannard offered signed copies by mail order... With the novel, she included free copies of Comely Woman, a book of advice promoting her line of cosmetics products, John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations (with a wikilink to Toilet#Names to help solve the mystery of the name), and I've named the section "Publication and promotion" to make it easier to spot. To a certain extent I think "Who is John Strange Winter and what are 'Toilet Preparations'?" is the "intrigue" I was hoping to raise-- hopefully the article now has answers to those. Maybe some more compelling or clearer wordings:
@LEvalyn: I just went to verify ALT3, and I noticed that two of the four sources don't mention Lady Jennifer, so whatever they're being used to cite probably shouldn't be in the article.--Launchballer23:20, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Launchballer, I took out one of them and re-arranged the others to indicate which part of the sentence they support. They're all necessary to support the complete statement that With the novel, she included free copies of Comely Woman, a book of advice promoting her line of cosmetics products, John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think "John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations" needs a source that mentions Lady Jennifer, otherwise it needs to come out of the article.--Launchballer19:30, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've added another source that explicitly identifies company by its full name "John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations" and also identifies Stannard/Winter as the author of Lady Jennifer. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:17, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Yes, this really. My condition for possibly looking again at ALT3 was that the article and sourcing be brought in place to clearly verify it. As in, a source which explicitly mentions both Lady Jennifer and "John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations", as well as telling us that the former cross-promotes the latter. It sounds like that hasn't happened yet so we're not ready to go with that one. — Amakuru (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting a little unclear on what the concern is. The hook is meant to summarize this information from the article: With the novel, she included free copies of Comely Woman, a book of advice promoting her line of cosmetics products, John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations; since that's wordy I thought "cross-promoted" conveyed the gist more concisely, but perhaps ALT04 is better for being more specific.
To spell out the sourcing, this says A copy of the latest edition of "Comely Woman" will be enclosed with each signed copy of "Lady Jennifer"; this spells out what 'Comely Woman' is, saying Comely Woman by ... Author of "Bootle's Baby," "Lady Jennifer," etc. ... tells how and why she invented the many now popular Toilet Preparations she has placed on sale of late years (and generally indicates that's it's a promotional brochure for her products), and this ad and this ad spell out that the product line was sold under the full name "John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations"; the latter also explicitly says that the products are sold by the popular author of "Bootle's Baby," "Lady Jennifer," etc., etc.. I am pretty sure that the book included ads for the cosmetics line -- I know it had 20 pages of advertisements for something but I am still waiting on a library request to have confirmation of what-- but with the current sources maybe it's better to say that the author cross-promoted rather than the book did. Really, I am open to any wording, or any hook. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 22:24, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm happy with that more concise version. If we wanted to play up contrast in subject matter we could gloss the genre of the book: ALT8: ... that the romantic drama Lady Jennifer sometimes came with a book of advice promoting John Strange Winter Toilet Preparations? But I am very flexible. Thanks for weighing in. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 22:10, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was nominated fresh. It is long enough. I do not see any copyright or neutrality issues. The hook fact should be immediately followed by the citation. I am not quite happy with the proposed hook, Spiderpig662. Lots of people tutor while students. I like the "Heroine of Socialist Labor" angle more. Do we have a source anywhere stating explicitly for what achievements she was granted this honor? This could make a good hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:03, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: I've looked for a source that states why she was given "Heroine of Socialist Labor", but I've been unable to find one. However, I did find one that stated that she found it unacceptable to listen to students perform pieces imposed by teachers, which might work for a hook. ALT1: ... that music teacher Panka Pelishek(pictured) found it unacceptable to listen to students perform pieces forced on them by teachers?" Source: [6] p. 48 "Тя от своя страна също се противопоставя на еднаквостта и калъпирането. За нея е напълно неприемливо (дори нетърпимо) да се слу шат и гледат ученици на продукции с наложените им от педагога" Spiderpig662 (talk) 17:52, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Prince Consort Gallery(detail pictured) was originally used to display "many of the most interesting and costly possessions" in the Victoria and Albert museum?
@Viriditas: Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated. I enjoyed putting the odds and sods together to make this one. Regarding the use of direct quotes, in this case it's mostly a stylistic nuance – since the quoted source material was written shortly after the museum was built, the Victorian turn of phrase captures a bit of the flavour of the times. Also, thanks for bringing this up, as I've just discovered that the entire book from which the Pitt Rivers museum source quotes is available online, so perhaps we can add a "Further reading" section or drop this in the "External links" section. More generally, I've been experimenting with the use of high-quality quotation woven into article text (e.g., Pirouette: Turning Points in Design) as something of a rear-guard defence against the flood of AI generated dross that's creepingcrept into language. If we have a fantastic source, written with care by an authority on the subject or published by an august, scholarly institution, then the syntax is probablysurely going to be better than my paraphrasing. If this can be done in a respectful manner that is compliant with Wikipedia policy, then it seems like a win (per WP:1Q, etc.). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cl3phact0: This is all quite fascinating. I had never considered any of this before in a DYK nomination. Question: do you think others will find these hooks interesting? I mean, museums are created to do just this, so it comes off as mundane. I wonder if you can create a new hook to make it more unexpected and less mundane. Can you interrupt the expectations of the reader to emphasize the unusual nature of the hook? The origins alluded to in the cited NYT article says that the museum was originally intended to "inspire better designs for better products" because it was thought that British manufactured goods were less than desirable at the time. That's really interesting to me. Viriditas (talk) 22:23, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ultimately, one hopes that our readers will find the article interesting! It would be rather disheartening to think otherwise. As far as the hooks go, the ALT2 version was intended to be the less conventual option, with a bit of a riches-to-rags (and back) "twist" (i.e., something that was initially associated with the most interesting and costly of things subsequently becoming a humble storeroom and then a mere staff lunchroom – before eventually returning to its original purpose. That said, I'm absolutely open to better ideas and not at all precious about my own (see comments above re: original quotes vs. paraphrasing). I'll certainly give it some more thought and welcome your suggestions too. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:36, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Holy hamartia! I miscounted. Apologies. ALT2 could use a trim anyhow. It's a bit wordy as is. Something like
ALT2b: ... that the V&A's Prince Consort Gallery(detail pictured) was once used to display "many of the most interesting and costly possessions" in the museum and later became a staff lunchroom?
(ending with "lunchroom" might even help focus the emphasis on the "twist"). Better?
Also, I couldn't find anything about quotes in hooks (although WP:DYKPROSE mentions that block quotes should not be included in the overall prose size calculation). For aesthetic reasons, as the quote used is properly sourced and punctuated in the article text itself anyhow, I wonder if we could drop the quotation marks themselves in the hook (per above example).
Lastly, I think that the other possibility you propose (i.e., the "better designs for better products" angle) would be great hook for a DYK about the V&A as a whole rather than this relatively small gallery within the museum (although getting that article over the WP:GA hurdle to make it DYK eligible is another matter altogether). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Will you be changing ALT2 or providing a new hook to compensate for the length? You will want to add ALT2b to the above to make it official. (Never mind, I did it for you up above.) Viriditas (talk) 09:54, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A few questions: 1) why is a better source needed in Location and characteristics? 2) Why do you use italics with theremin? 3) Please read WP:TOOMANYREFS and WP:BUNDLING. I'm guessing you don't actually need most of these refs. Stick with the ones you do need and get rid of the rest. Viriditas (talk) 10:03, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the city of Kikwit, estimated to have a population of over one million, does not yet have an electrical grid?
Source: [7] (My translation) The Kikwit population statistics provided by Kikwit City Hall [...] giving a cumulative total population of 1,336,992 for the entirety of Kikwit. [8] (My translation) Since its creation, the city has never had electricity.
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin and Yue: Reviewing for promotion and this is failing my common-sense test. First of all, the source (I checked with my own translation says "the city has never had electricity". This is not the same as not having an electric grid; is there a source that specifies the absence of a grid? The source's claim of no electricity is plainly belied by the photos in the article, which show satellite dishes and buildings with air conditioning and what very much appear to be power lines in the lead image. This is a fairly exceptional claim and needs a robust source or perhaps multiple sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:20, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: As the article states, electricity has been planned and tested, but not successfully implemented. It can be presumed that the visible power lines are from incomplete constructions. The Actualite.cd source makes it a bit more clear that, in 2024 (the same year the photograph was taken), electricity is not available in Kikwit. I believe this, in addition with the KAS paper, is enough sourcing to verify that the city does not have electricity. However you are correct that my phrasing of "electrical grid" is not quite the same as what the source says, so I have tweaked the article to say "supply of electricity". The same change should be applied to the hook. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)05:49, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vigilantcosmicpenguin: I did some digging here because the statement electricity is not available in Kikwit is quite exceptional. There is evidence here (see page 24, table 2) that Kikwit has had (underpowered) gas power plants in 1980 and 2000. This map from Africa Energy indicates a thermal plant was operational in Kikwit as of 2025. A USAID report from 2019 found (p 5) that In Kikwit, only four percent of 174,000 households have access to electricity. As I'd expect in a place without reliable sources of utility electricity, Kikwit residents use generators, a point confirmed by a map based on official data sources: One significant factor contributing to Kikwit's current energy situation is the lack of an extensive power grid infrastructure. The city experiences frequent power outages and relies on small-scale diesel generators for electricity, particularly in rural areas. A 2021 interview with someone born in Kikwit commented on how generators were used and electricity would shut off at 9pm. A 1991 New York Times article describes the city as having had electrical service in the past but now relying on generators. All this indicates the source provided above that says, in translation, Since its creation, the city has never had electricity is incorrect. What I do think is uncontestable is that local power sources are insufficient to meet Kikwit's needs and that as a World Bank report (p 42) indicates, Kikwit is not on the DRC's electrical grid. It may well have its own grid that is underpowered. Moreover, if electricity is supplied via generators, it is still supplied, even if at higher cost and with less reliability. Bottom line, I think the hook needs to be rewritten. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: Thanks for doing some more thorough research. You're correct that electricity is supplied by generators, which is why I had initially chosen the phrasing of "electrical grid". It appears that Kikwit does not have a grid, even an isolated one, as the World Bank source you provided says: "Isolated grids could also suit a few additional mid-size towns such as Kikwit". Also, to clarify the statement that "Since its creation, the city has never had electricity", I believe this is referring to the creation of the city of Kikwit, which had not had city status before 1970. In any case, you're right that the hook will have to be more precise. How about:
ALT0a: ... that plans to supply electricity to Kikwit, a city estimated to have a population of over one million, have not yet been successful?
The sources I linked above indicated power was available in the city after 1970 and may still be available today from a thermal plant in insufficient supply for local needs. To be safe I'd want to shift it to something like "... that Kikwit, a city estimated to have a population of over one million, does not yet have a reliable supply of electricity?" but that's honestly not as interesting as your initial hook. However, I'm going to leave it open to another reviewer if they want to evaluate. Any other non-electricity related hooks to throw out there? Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971 and Vigilantcosmicpenguin: Throwing some alternatives here, although I agree that the electricity angle is the best option here:
ALT1 ... that the Congolese city of Kikwit, estimated to have a population of over one million, is only served by a single highway?
ALT2 ... that the city of Kikwit, estimated to have a population of over one million, is not on the Democratic Republic of the Congo's national power grid?
ALT3 ... that a 1995 Ebola outbreak in the Congolese city of Kikwit was the second major outbreak of the virus?
ALT4 ... that in 2019, 96% of households of the Congolese city of Kikwit, estimated to have a population of over one million, lacked electricity?
I dislike ALT3 as it is mostly interesting to people interested in epidemiology, and ALT4 has too much focus on a specific statistic. I like ALT1, which is interesting for the same reason as the electricity hook. I will also suggest a similar hook:
ALT5 ... that the city of Kikwit, estimated to have a population of over one million, has only four paved roads?
... that although Gene White was not highly recruited to play college football, he "just showed up" for his college's team and went on to later play in the NFL?
Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig is clean. No reason why this would deserve a maintenance templateHook requires knowledge of what "highly recruited" means and "just showed up" wants trimming from the article per WP:SUMMARY. The only thing even remotely close to passing WP:DYKINT is ALT1: ... that Gene White's NFL career was interrupted by a spell in the army? and I must ask for another reviewer for it.--Launchballer13:38, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
, QPQ not needed, sourced and appears in article, the first hook seems boring but the second hook works, new enough (same day nom) and long enough, cant really check for COPYVIO's due to language differences so ill AGF. I did a few minor copy editing on the page so everything seems good to go Olliefant (she/her)02:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that the television drama This Thriving Land revived public interest in Chinese sage? could work, although (according to Google Translate at least) the source refers to Salvia miltiorrhiza and doesn't mention "Chinese sage".--Launchballer12:08, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They are both the translated name versions for the herb. Thanks for pointing that out and reminding me. I just did a further research on the translation. Then, I realised the most accurate referred name in the source is 丹參, which is ″danshen″ for direct translation of Chinese, while its scientific name is ″Salvia miltiorrhiza″. Both versions sound great for me (and indeed better than the sage one, cause these 2 ways are the most often cited name in thesis). Thanks-EleniXDD※Talk13:17, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Long enough, new enough, well sourced. Sources in Spanish so I'll AGF Earwig. QPQ done. About the hooks, none is very great as they are not very interesting. ALT1 is better though. Earth605talk04:44, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewing for potential promotion, and the Ching dissertation used as a source for ALT1a has only a 24-page preview available on ProQuest and otherwise appears to be an offline source. In light of WP:DYKCITE, PizzaKing13, would you please provide a quote from the page cited that validates the hook fact? Thank you. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:39, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: "The 1939 presidential election presented Martinez with a decidedly more precarious legal situation than did the election of 1935. In 1935, Martinez circumvented the constitutional restriction against consecutive terms in office by claiming that his first term was not actually his, but Araujo's. In 1939 there was no such loophole, and thus the Constitution would have to be amended if Martinez hoped to remain in office. [...] Ratification of a new Constitution was a two-stage process that began in the municipalities and ended in a Constitutional Convention. The new Constitution first had to be approved by the cabildo abiertos, town-hall meetings at which the general populace theoretically voted on the proposed changes. If the changes passed the cabildo, they would appear before a Constitutional Convention comprised of 42 popularly-elected delegates, three from each Department. The cabildos were scheduled to take place in July 1938, and Martinez turned to Pro-Patria to insure that the process ran smoothly. It seems as though Pro-Patria did not bother having the populace actually vote during the cabildos, for there is no record of voting or even mention made of the voting process. Instead, Pro-Patria Delegations organized public conferences and rallies, accompanied by plenty of food and fanfare, and then reported their region's unanimous support for the new Constitution. [...] In this manner Martinez' new Constitution was approved, clearing his path for re-election." PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 19:24, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was created within the seven-day limit and meets the length requirements. I did not find any close paraphrasing. No QPQ necessary as this is only the nominator's second nomination. However, the hook as currently written may not meet our interest guidelines, as it may not be clear to a reader unfamiliar with Melody Maker why their involvement is important. Given that the article is quite long and detailed, I would suggest making further hook proposals. I am also pinging Launchballer for hook suggestions as this is a music-related article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:45, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Hi, sorry, been an exceptionally busy week and lost track of things. How about something like "the First English Public Jam Session, held in 1941, took place in London before an audience of 1,000 spectators?" This explains the 'public' part of the session name. Or maybe "1,000 jazz fans and musicians" to narrow the scope of the audience down?--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 09:58, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: The unusual aspect for the time was it being taped and released on record, apparently unheard of at that point in British jam-based jazz, but that might be hard to get across in the hook. One aspect I think could work for the hook is saxophonist Aubrey Frank playing the session only a day before being conscripted into the Royal Air Force, although I don't know if the absence of an article for himself complicates matters? If not, maybe it could be "The saxophonist Aubrey Frank played at the 1941 First English Public Jam Session a day before conscription into the Royal Air Force?" Or do these sound like other potential hooks?: "the First English Public Jam Session, held in 1941..." "...was promoted as "the greatest British jam session ever"?", "...was intended to showcase British jazz musicians in the best light?", "...was attended and praised by the poet Philip Larkin?", "...established a model for racial integration in British jazz?" (the latter I feel good about as a hook, but if you agree, it might need work to be more specific - IMO it's a bit hard to paraphrase the Stratton source for this without losing the accuracy of his text so help would be appreciated).--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 10:53, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The one about Frank might work if an article could be created for him: this could then be a double hook. Usually, we discourage subjects without articles from being mentioned in hooks, although it's not an absolute rule and it's not prohibited. The issue with the angle is more that it would be more about Frank rather than the Jam Session, so it wouldn't meet WP:DYKMAJOR. As for your other proposals, perhaps the one that would meet DYKINT the best would be "greatest British jam session ever", but we will have to see. I'll get back to this and give some thought regarding options. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:11, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 is a cute hook, but sadly it is not directly stated in the article, only implied. ALT2 is technically a "first" hook, although it might be acceptable since the hook fact is it being dubbed the first, not that it is actually claimed to be the first. ALT1 is supported by the article but it does not directly say it was "notable for its racial integration" (or at least that exact wording is not used outside the article); however, as a summary of the article, it seems to be the safest option among the three. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:53, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I like the sound of ALT1 and ALT2 both. Do I need to state a preference? The racial significance of ALT1 is something I had problems trying to paraphrase without losing the intricacies of the details, but simply saying its notable for its racial integration seems the way to do it. The Stratton source says the lack of racial discrimination set the standard for similar British jams. And ALT2 seems fine to me as the 'first' is a mere attribution, although it would be important to get 'public' in there, as jams had been recorded before but in private studios without an audience (it's also possible that the FEPJS wasn't the first, but this was the way it was promoted - this is why I was quite fond of the hook about it being promoted as 'the greatest British jam session ever', which is merely subjective so can't be argued against on any objective front.)--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 02:28, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: ""Mina" was, however, as Hall correctly notes, certainly a term which was applied in Brazil, in some contexts, to speakers of Gbe languages. The "Casa das Minas [House of the Minas]" in Sao Luis in the province of Maranhao, for example, is a cult-house of specifically Dahomian origin, venerating spirits associated with the royal dynasty of Dahomey."Law, Robin (2005). "Ethnicities of Enslaved Africans in the Diaspora: On the Meanings of "Mina" (Again)". History in Africa. 32: 258. doi:10.1353/hia.2005.0014. ISSN0361-5413.
"The name "Minas" remained in use under French colonial rule in the twentieth century, and indeed down to the present, to refer to the inhabitants of Agbodrafo, Aneho and Glidji, and Agoue; although there remains an awareness locally that it should properly be applied only to the Elmina element in Aneho (and its offshoots), a.s distinct from the Gas at Glidji.33 It is not quite accurate, however, to state as does Hall, that these people "call themselves" Mina.34 Rather, this is an external, European coinage, which is nowadays used locally only when speaking in French. At a conference held at Aneho in 2000, I recall a member of the local community insisting that "the Minas exist only for scholars," the self-appellation of the people in their own language being "Gen.""Law, Robin (2005). "Ethnicities of Enslaved Africans in the Diaspora: On the Meanings of "Mina" (Again)". History in Africa. 32: 258. doi:10.1353/hia.2005.0014. ISSN0361-5413.
Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, well-sources and neutral. It is plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting (for this aspect). I've just put a ? for status as there are things to fix for the other article, so the double nomination can go ahead, but the article looks good. Lajmmoore (talk) 17:19, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article is new enough and long enough, uses good sources, is neutral and plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting (for this aspect). However, there are quite a few [citation needed] tags and I added a [clarification needed] as I think the latter needs to be in a note, not the body of the article. Hopefully these are easy fixes @BaduFerreira: and this nomination can progress Lajmmoore (talk) 17:19, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: I had to do a few edits to fix some very minor copyvio, but it's now looking good to me. I don't find the hook very interesting as-is, but would be happy with:
ALT2: ... that the OnlyFans creators at the Bop House have acknowledged faking personal conflicts?
ALT3: ... that the Bop House has been called "a modern-day, TikTokified Playboy Mansion"?
Source for ALT1 and ALT2: "none of the Bop House girls do actual porn"; "A lot of what gets clip-farmed happens to be rage bait or just straight-up lies. Araújo, for instance, tells me that, despite claiming to, she never actually shit in a jar for $50,000. ... Filippo never actually broke into Araújo’s house and stole her dogs, which they sheepishly admitted on Clock It. “Everything was fake. Everything,” she says. ... Recently, there was a rumor one of the Bop House girls is pregnant. “I was just making up things,” says Araújo, laughing."
Source for ALT3: "The Bop House, a modern-day, TikTokified Playboy Mansion full of OnlyFans models, not only exists but is apparently extremely successful"
We've run five hooks with the word "OnlyFans" in the hook and WP:DYKSTATS says they've been the 11th, 36th, 5th, 2nd, and 34th most viewed hooks of the month. ALT0 is interesting to our audience.--Launchballer05:19, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but I think it's more interesting to also say something more specific about the group than just that there are eight of them. Would you be ok with any of the hooks I suggested? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 06:25, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting bio, meticulously sourced, no copyvio obvious. Sorry, I couldn't find out in the article what kind of musician she is, - can that please be changed? Singing and multiple instruments or what? The infobox has a parameter "occupation" for at-a-glance info instead of searching around. It has a parameter organizations where Vaults could go. - You asked me, and probably know what I'll say: the hook is not what would interest me about this person, - I'd rather want to (also) know about "too emotional to dance to" or "intensity dial rarely below 10". The hook as written spends a lot of words on a campaign she abandoned, - if that is mentioned at all it could be summarized by saying Birthright. Perhaps have subheaders in the article for music and campaign? Another wish: could we perhaps have a pronoun in a hook clarifying that she is a woman. (Or would I be the only one who couldn't tell from Blythe?) - Please consider that this is a living person who may read the hook. If you still want the original hook I will approve it once the article tells us what kind of musician she is, - minimum the mentioned infobox entries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
taking this out of the approved list until notablity concerns are addressed either by an removed PROD or an AFD. Currently article has an unexpired PROD on it. TarnishedPathtalk00:40, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - I could verify ALT0 and ALT2, but not ALT1. Could you provide the quote?
Interesting: - Interestingly enough, ALT1 is the one that was most interesting to me. I didn't find ALT0 and ALT2 as interesting and would only use these if ALT1 doesn't work out.
@Epicgenius: Sorry, I did not see this! Thank you so much for your review :) I have removed the Hello source but not the statement is supported by the following source. For ALT1, I am so sorry, I accidentally gave the wrong source! The right source was already in the article, and I have replaced it above - it is this source [12]. I also modified the hook slightly, though to be honest I am unsure if it should be changed again as I am not sure if perhaps I may be misinterpreting it slightly... DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 04:57, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: QPQ done, hook interesting and cited, article is new, sourced, and neutral, but at 1530b, barely long enough. Suggest that promoters prioritise other articles as long as this barely meets the criteria. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just suggested ALT1: that the first Slovenian restaurant to earn three Michelin stars is based in a former hospital? and ALT0a: ... that the kitchen of the first Slovenian restaurant to earn three Michelin stars was helmed by Ana Roš, making her one of the few women with that accolade?--Launchballer11:25, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake regarding DYKMAJOR. There's certainly been a recent trend towards link minimalism, not sure if it's made the guidelines. I still recommend dropping the link.--Launchballer15:58, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe tweak tense to "hashad no formal culinary training", to match the current article wording. Perhaps she's since had some training?—Bagumba (talk)
Not that I've found. (I've been updating the article about her, which is how I ended up here. I've read multiple recent articles that say no training.) But no objection unless 'had' sound like she's dead? Valereee (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that DSA cadets once observed a tradition of paying respect to the spirit Ko Myo Shin(statue pictured) in the days before graduation to ensure a successful military career? Source: "ဗိုလ်လောင်းကို နတ်ပြရခြင်း". The Irrawaddy (in Burmese). 3 August 2011.
@Hteiktinhein: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig is clean. Not sure I've ever seen an article need both {{too many sections}} and {{subsections}}, but neither are DYK issues. ALT0 requires knowledge of what a nat is and ALT1 what the DSA is; ALT2 wants trimming to ALT2a: ... that legend has it that Ko Myo Shin(statue pictured) became a spirit after cutting his head off?. Per WP:DYKHOOK, I must ask for a quote from the source.--Launchballer18:51, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Umpleby 1910 Ch 1 paragraph 3, "Principle features" opening sentence calls out Granite Mountian, Copper Mountain, and Gibraltar Mountain
ALT1: ... that the western face of the 3,784 ft (1,153 m) tall Gibraltar Mountain(pictured) is noted to be precipitous? Source: Bancroft 1914 page 137 Topography "With the exception of the west side of Gibraltar Mountain, which is rather steep, the slopes in this area are not precipitous".
Overall: Nominated on day of move to mainspace; appropriately sourced and NPOV maintained; Copyvio Detector comes up clear. The photo, taken by the nominator, is lovely. Unfortunately, neither hook is particularly interesting. Most every notable mountain is a principal feature of something or other, and ALT0 provides reason to be intrigued by either the mountain or the Republic Mining District. Meanwhile, ALT1 is unimpressive; it is not at all unusual for a mountain to have at least one precipitous side and often more. Any other ideas? Minor copyediting needed on the article (missing period, principle vs principal in the hook statement in the article) Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources added for clarity on the fact. The northern 2/3s of Ferry County was fully covered by the ice sheet which blocked the Columbia river to the south. Also as a note. for anyone interested in general geology, geography, or topogrpahy, all three are interesting facts that would incite link clicking. DYKINT is hypersubjective to claim for the 25 million people that view the main page during any given day.--Kevmin§17:24, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin: Checking out the four sources that are in the article to support ALT2 where the claim is made, I find one 404 link and three sources that do not mention Gibraltar Mtn ([13], [14], [15]). This suggests a bit of WP:SYNTH is going on, certainly more than I can accept in a DYK hook. Is the source for this claim located elsewhere in the article? If so, please flag it for me so I can review. As for your comment about subjectivity, indeed, interestingness is subjective and yet each DYK reviewer is required to provide their own considered assessment of it, and one never knows who might choose to review one's nomination. As someone who has traveled extensively in Washington and knows its geography very well, I am quite familiar with the geologic history of the state and even ALT2 I find not particularly interesting (much of the eastern half of the state was formed by the movement and rapid melting of the Cordilleran ice sheet, so this is not a unique feature of Gibraltar Mountain), although it is more interesting than ALT0 and ALT1. Any other ideas? Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:28, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: Most people outside of Washington DONT know the impact of the iceage on the regional geology, do not let personal experience impact that. I have updated the 2006 Community wildfire plan link [Ferry County, Washington Community Wildfire Protection Plan here]. Regarding SYNTH, no the sources are in agreement that the northern 2/3 of Ferry County were covered by the Cordilleran Ice sheet with the ice being an estimated mile in thickness. I'm sorry I cant find a source that details every single mountain peak with an annotated note about the ice being over the height of the mountain. Do you perhaps feel that as a extensive traveler of the area you are jaded to the options presented? Reviewers are suggested to look at interestingness, but how are you to determine what an average 5,900,090 people from across the globe will like? Another option is its very common for reviewers to make suggestions of what they think are the interesting points, and not just repeat requests of the nominator to provide alt hooks.--Kevmin§20:36, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kevmin: I don't really understand what you're getting at here. First you said that anyone interested in general geology, geography, or topogrpahy would find your hooks interesting, thus implying that I am not interested in those subjects since I did not find your hooks interesting. Then you said I am too jaded based on my experience. What is it? WP:DYKINT does not ask us to determine what an average 5,900,090 people from across the globe will find interesting, it asks reviewers to note what is likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic. Your first two hooks can be basically summarized as "this mountain is prominent in this place" and "this mountain has one steep slope". My judgment was that these would not be unusual or intriguing to unfamiliar readers. I did find ALT2 mildly interesting for those readers, but it fails WP:DYKCITE since the sources cited do not indicate that Gibraltar Mountain was covered by the ice sheet or even that it is in the portion of the county that was covered by the ice sheet. Finally, while many reviewers may suggest their own alternatives (and is something I've done before when time permits), WP:DYKRI does not require it or even suggest it. Given the way you've responded to my review thus far, I feel increasingly that devoting more of my volunteer time to reviewing this nomination will not be fruitful, but I'm willing to take one final look before closing the review or turning it over to another reviewer. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:37, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel the hooks provided are acceptably interesting for a wide audience and the sources for alt 3 are fully policy compliant, providing overlapping data that is close to WP:Math level information (Glacial lobe down to 13 mile Creek south of Republic (Atwater), All Mountians in the Kettle Range covered in the glacal cap (Curlew Lake). I think a different reviewer is needed, as this nom was approved for every aspect of Objective rules, and only stalled on the single Subjective one that should not exist.--Kevmin§16:50, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Coming here after seeing the request for a second opinion at WT:DYK. I agree with Dclemens1971 that the three hooks are only marginally interesting at best: all of them require at least some knowledge or background in geology (even if not deep) to be appreciated.
ALT2 is probably the most interesting of the three options, but as Dclements1971 said, the fact is not sufficiently supported in the article, and the above explanation does not resolve the matter. In fact, as far as I can tell, ALT2's hook fact is not mentioned in the article at all! At least not directly. Looking at the article, there does not seem to be anything that meets the interest guidelines either, so I would not oppose this being marked for closure.
Does "the southern edge of the Cordilleran Ice Sheet ground its way into the valley of Curlew Creek, eventually thickening to a depth of more than one mile, covering even the highest summits of the Kettle River Range on the east side of the valley" not verify ALT2? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:24, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Alt2 is stated in the sentence The mile thick Sanpoil sublobe, branching from the Cordillerans Okanogan lobe ice sheet, pushed south along the valley[8] and over the entire mass of Gibraltar Mountain, with appropriate referencing that outlines the thickness of the glacial ice being deep enough to overtop all the mountains that Gibraltar part of (Kettle Range) (Curlew lake ref), and Atwater pg 3 details the ice sheet at maximum terminating south of Republic (and Gibralter) by a number of miles. The thickness of the ice at over a mile depth and creating the topography seen today is reiterated in the wildfire plan reference pg 34 section 3.2.1.2.1. The ecology section is blue but appropriately separated by commas as expected in an ecology list.--Kevmin§18:31, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Ecology section is separated by commas, but it's still not a good look to readers when it's almost two entire paragraphs of blue links. It's not a true sea of blue but one could argue that it violates the spirit of that.
As for the above concerns regarding ALT2, the issues remain unresolved because: 1. the article currently does not explicitly say that the entire mountain was covered in an ice sheet (the provided quote above is not about Gibraltar mountain itself), 2. the article states that it is the Sanpoil region that was covered in ice and not Gibraltar Mountain specifically, and 3. none of the sources explicitly refer to Gibraltar Mountain as being covered in ice. In fact, none of the four sources provided even mention Gibraltar Mountain by name at all.
The sources are explicit that ALL of the Kettle River range was covered in the ice, Gibraltar is a member of the Kettle River range, and lower in elevation than the main peaks to the east. This is a data level that is comparable to Wp:Calc. I disagree that SYNTH is an issue. The Sanpoil region is south of Republic and Gibraltar, a mountain that is lower in elevation than the sister peaks in the Kettle range, a range that is explicitly stated to have been entirely overtopped by Cordilleran ice sheet.--Kevmin§19:31, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have had the 404 error before on my nominations an your location in the Philippines resulting in US government links not being viewable to you. This is not a sourcing issue its a network issue for you.--Kevmin§19:31, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Two separate editors have said that it is a SYNTH issue. You were unhappy with the original review and asked for a second opinion. The second opinion agreed with the original review. That suggests that the angle is problematic. As long as the four sources do not explicitly state that the Gibraltar Mountain itself was covered in ice, it will likely be objected to by other editors, and your explanation is unlikely to be sufficient. None of the four sources even mention Gibraltar Mountain by name, so using multiple separate sources to present the conclusion that Gibraltar Mountain was covered in ice is indeed synthesis.
Given the lack of suitable hook options and ALT2's sourcing issues, I am marking this for closure. You requested for a second opinion, and here it is. For what it is worth, I was able to access the US government websites just fine, so this is not a 404 issue, it is an issue with what the sources actually say. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 19:40, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the thing. It does not matter if what you say is true, or that there is no need for the sources to explicitly mention Gibraltar Mountain since they imply that the entire region was covered by ice. WP:SYNTH states that sources cannot be used to present a conclusion that is not explicitly stated in the references. If the sources only say that it was the region and they do not explicitly mention Gibraltar Mountain, that is an issue. The spirit of WP:CALC does not apply as that specifically refers to numerical calculations and not factual information. ALT2 is problematic not just because it is not explicitly verified in the source (and thus violates WP:DYKHOOK), but also because it is synthesis. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 19:52, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with that assessment. Can you provide citations that contradict that Gibraltar is A) not a part of the Kettle River range, B) north of Manilla creek, the northern terminus location for the Cordilleran ice sheet. The references are more then adequate for the statement that Gibraltar was covered. it feels that you are presenting view of synth that is not in accordance with what referencing rules actually state. HOOK is fully satisfied by the references presented.--Kevmin§21:12, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally your statement that "precipitous" is specialist geological term is of dubious merit. the word is not specialized to geology and used regularly in news and other everyday media sources. Regarding the prominence of a feature, there is no rule in DYK that requires it to a more famous than site A B or C.--Kevmin§21:17, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To answer your question, I do not doubt that all those things are true. What matters is that we need a source directly and explicitly stating that Gibraltar Mountain itself was covered in ice. We cannot just simply say that it was the case because Gibraltar Mountain is part of a range, and that range was covered in ice according to sources. That is saying something that is not explicitly stated in the source, therefore it is indeed synthesis. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let's all calm down and take a step back. I see a lot of interesting potential hooks we can construct. If I'm reading the article right, there's an interesting contrast we can draw upon. It looks like the mountain itself is somewhere around 30 million years old, but the most visible parts are only 20,000 years old ("the gross topography of the mountain and region is unchanged from the Eocene, the aspects seen in the present were notably sculpted during the Wisconsin glaciation"). That would make a great hook if it can be worded correctly (which I do not think I've done). Can someone help? Viriditas (talk) 21:49, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: The issue with that angle is that, to my understanding, that is not unique to this mountain or even this range but is quite common. Having said that, I've taken another look at the article, and I thought of another hook idea, although it would need to be referenced in the article. How about:
ALT3 ... that Washington state's Gibraltar Mountain was previously spelled with an "e"?
ALT3a ... that Washington state's Gibraltar Mountain was previously spelled "Gibralter"?
The idea here is that the mountain is clearly named after Gibraltar in Europe, so the misspelling is a bit of a surprise. I'm not sure if it would be an acceptable angle, but I thought it was worth bringing up at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:22, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At this point, anything is better than the hooks the nom offered up above. I will be offline for the next 16 hours or so, but I will take another look when I return. Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas and Narutolovehinata5: I have added an etymology section with referencing for both the spelling change (shift sometime 1917 to 1950) and the rather obscure nature of the etymology (just listed as named for a "topographic and physical features"--Kevmin§22:56, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As for its obscurity, it looks like "Gibralter" was a simple misspelling. Google Earth takes me to three landforms named Gibraltar in Washington, one in Oregon, and one in Canada. I suspect that the name became popular in the late 19th century due to the rise of commercial steamship travel. The Oregon site was named around the fin de siècle, which was when a lot of people were visiting Gibraltar for the first time (1870s to 1910s). Viriditas (talk) 23:15, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We still need to work out the kinks. @Kevmin: you write Early references to the mountain, such as Umpleby (1910) and Bancroft (1914) used the spelling Gibralter with an "E". I looked and Bancroft uses an "a". As for Umpleby (1910), it turns out this pub was his doctoral dissertation.[16] Dissertations are known to contain errors like this so it isn't all that unusual. Washington state geologist Henry Landes submitted the thesis for publication on behalf of Umpleby, which may have been the standard practice at the time.[17] The final version was published without making reference to the original.[18] As we can see in the original dissertation, Gibraltar is misspelled twice as "Gibralter". Bancroft corrected it in his 1914 paper but made no note of the correction indicating to me at least that it was too embarrassing to refer to it as a misspelling.[19] Bancroft cites Umpleby five times but makes no mention of the error, instead using the correct spelling. Not sure how we can use this kind of thing in a hook. DYK doesn't balk at primary sources per se, but this is more like original research than a secondary source hook. A doctoral student misspelled the name of Gibraltar Mountain in their dissertation. Was that mistake repeated anywhere else? It doesn't look like it. It was corrected four years later. Viriditas (talk) 00:35, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Putting aside the assertion of error frequency in Graduate theses, the spelling used by Umpleby was formally published in 1910 with the "e" spelling, a spelling retained in the Colville national Forest documentation, retained in the current NPH.com pdf, and this 1928 Railroad map of Washington. To add to the situation Muessig 1967 uses both spellings, using the E variant twice and the A once in prose, and with the A on the accompanying topographic map. The e variant has been used in official publications and is the earliest to be used for the mountain. While you assert it was a misspelling by Umpleby, it appears elsewhere and we do not get to deem it a mispelling simply due to it being in a thesis.--Kevmin§02:03, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a misspelling that became used in maps and reports because the people who created those things cited Umpleby (1910). This is an incredibly common problem that is found in almost every discipline and I deal with it all the time in articles I write. You still say that Bancroft (1914) uses the wrong spelling in the current version, which he doesn't. Not sure how you can use this as a hook unless someone has commented on it in the secondary literature. It's kind of funny that you're treating this as some kind of alternative spelling or naming convention when it's obvious that Umpleby doesn't know how to spell and nobody bothered to check his work. This happens all the freaking time. I'll just give you one example of many that I recently had to deal with, in an art biography about Tono Zancanaro several months ago. It turns out that the definitive art publication on the Venice Biennale misspelled Zancanaro's name in 2005, which was a typo based on the original 1952 publication.[20] The error in 2005 caused several publications between then and now to repeat it, cascading through the art literature, with nobody going back to the 1952 original source to check.[21] This happens regularly. Anyway, why don’t you try to construct a hook around the hiking trails? There seems to be a lot of sources about it. You would probably need to add something unusual or intriguing about the mountain trails, perhaps highlighting an unusual species or feature. Viriditas (talk) 02:54, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we look at ecology and plants @Viriditas:, what about:
An extra reference documenting the restricted range of identified Okanogan fameflower populations in the United states, with under 10 in Ferry and Okanogan County, and the species as a whole being endemic to only the Columbia Moutains. The Kettle River range is a subrange in the Columbias.--Kevmin§16:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that non-destructive virtual unfolding was used to read burned or otherwise highly damaged scrolls (example pictured) from Pompeii, Ancient Egypt, Medieval England, Mongolia, and other places? Source: same as ALT0 but with more details. for each scroll see sources in the relevant section
This is a great article and a good start on a DYK hook, and there are a few things that should be addressed before it's good to go: The citation provided doesn't totally support the DYK text; this is quibbly, but the cited source doesn't actually use "virtual unfolding"; it talks about "virtual unravelling", which is also not one of the alternate terms used in note "a" in the first sentence. Unfolding doesn't seem to the be most common term among the sources I looked at -- is it the best title for the article? I wonder if there's a source that addresses the multiple name, and if it ould also make sense to list all the names in the first sentence rather than using the hovertext note. I also note that paragraphs 1 and 15 (Virtual_unfolding#Herculaneum_papyri) lack citations. Everything else is good -- recency, length of DYK hook, size of article, neutrality, copyright, licensing. I would 100% support this nomination with just a bit of work. Kenirwin/(talk) 18:20, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: for 'first Chinese literary magazine for women': Sun, Liying; Hockx, Michel (2019). "Dangerous Fiction and Obscene Images: Textual-Visual Interplay in the Banned Magazine Meiyu and Lu Xun's Role as Censor, pp. 36–37
for 'censored for its sexual content': Hockx, Michel. "Raising Eyebrows: The Journal Eyebrow Talk and the Regulation of 'Harmful Fiction' in Modern China". p. 77, 85
for 'censored for its nudity': Sun & Hockx 2019, pp. 38–40
This is not a review, but perhaps the greater concern here for DYK purposes is if it really is the "first Chinese literary magazine for women". That is a "first" hook, and per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, such superlative claims require exceptional sourcing (and ideally a search for possible counterexamples), since ERRORS might throw a fit if it turns out to be false. One solution could be to change "the first" to simply "a", but admittedly that might lessen the hook's punch. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Generalissima: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig is clean. Not seeing any reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. Perhaps it's because I'm not awake yet, but I'm struggling to find the hook in the article.--Launchballer11:07, 13 October 2025 (UTC)\[reply]
... that Mukund Varadarajan killed two terrorist commanders in South Kashmir before succumbing to the wounds the second inflicted?
Source: Shiv Aroor; Rahul Singh (2017). India's most fearless: True Stories of Modern Military Heroes. Penguin Random House. pp. 137–139, 145. ISBN978-9-38681-542-2.
Adequate sourcing: - I've added some flags to some self-published sources. The claims I think are verified in other sources so they just need to be backed up with something reliable and independent. The discography section is largely unsourced and that should be improved if possible.
Neutral: - Not a show-stopper but erring on the side of promotional, and I saw some signs of unchecked machine translation (getting genders wrong is a common problem for machine translations of these languages).
Other problems: - This article was apparently translated from Catalan wiki, and the source article was created by a single-purpose account. This may indicate an autobiography or UPE. I'd like a second opinion on whether this is an issue.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Article was created within a week of the nomination and is 2,526 words (16,271 characters) long. The article is fully-sourced, neutral and plagiarism-free (per Earwig results). Assuming good faith on the Lithuanian-language sources for the hooks. I think the hooks are interesting, although I think there are other details in the article that are more interesting (i.e. the reasons for its bankruptcy, the trials of the bankers, etc.) QPQ is done. I'm happy to pass this as is, but would suggest one or two more ALT hooks that would really grab the reader. Grnrchst (talk) 11:09, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 "... that Lithuania's first bank went bankrupt after extending favourable loans for overvalued assets without obtaining guarantees?"
ALT3 "... that the chairmen of Lithuania's first bank were convicted for criminal negligence after the bank collapsed?"
I think I find the information in ALT2 interesting because of the parallels it had with the 2008 crash, although that might just be me. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:22, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Quote: "Surastas vienintelis 1922 m. banko akcininkų sąrašas (jame įrašytos 203 pavardės) rodo, kad vos ne visas tautos žiedas dėjosi į banką iš patriotizmo: buvo garbė ir pareiga pinigais paremti pirmąjį tautinį banką."
Translation: "The only known list of shareholders of the bank from 1922 (with 203 names) shows that almost the entire elite of the nation contributed to the bank out of patriotism: it was an honor and a duty to support the first national bank." Renata•304:00, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjjiii: Vilnius Land Bank was a Russian bank. Trade and Industry Bank was the first bank founded and funded by Lithuanians. Bank of Lithuania was founded in 1922 and many of the same people worked at both banks leading to massive conflicts of interest when Bank of Lithuania considered bailing out the Trade and Industry Bank. Renata•311:55, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1a: ... that many prominent figures of the Republic of Lithuania believed that investing in the country's first bank was patriotic?
ALT2a "... that the Republic of Lithuania's first bank went bankrupt after extending favourable loans for overvalued assets without obtaining guarantees?"
ALT3a "... that the chairmen of the Republic of Lithuania's first bank were convicted for criminal negligence after the bank collapsed?"
The source says "first national bank". I suppose you could argue either way as to whether it means "Lithuania" or "Republic of Lithuania", so I'm going to let someone else adjudicate.--Launchballer16:04, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that when Aline Sitoe Diatta's death was announced, forty years after she died, she was declared a "heroine of Senegal"?
Source: Baum 2009, p. 52; Baum 2016, p. 157.
ALT1: ... that in Dakar, Aline Sitoe Diatta is often called "the woman who was more than a man"? Source: Toliver-Diallo 2005, p. 342.
ALT2: ... that although Senegal commemorates Aline Sitoe Diatta has a heroic figure of resistance, some scholars have argued that she did not have strong links to anti-colonial resistance? Source: Toliver 1999, p. 210, O'Donoghue 2024, pp. 484–485.
As the GA nominator, thank you. Frequently forget to go DYK noms in the required time frame. Personally would remove one of the commas from the first proposal ("...that when Aline Sitoe Diatta's death was announced forty years after she died, she was declared...") and might rephrase ALT2 as "...that although Senegal commemorates Aline Sitoe Diatta has a heroic figure of anti-colonial resistance, some scholars have argued that she did not have strong links to said resistance?" But otherwise am quite happy with these. Not a formal review, though. Spookyaki (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a would probably be more interesting, though the addition of Bukit Batok in both hooks would result in removing the images, which is something I'm okay with. If one of them passed for DYK, then the other wouldn't have a chance at DYK, so that's why I'm suggesting a double nom. Icepinner11:15, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: NHK [近くには織田信長、徳川家康などの像も建てられていますが、何者かに壊されたとみられる被害がたびたび発生しています。 There are also statues of Oda Nobunaga, Tokugawa Ieyasu, and others nearby, but they have frequently been damaged and appear to have been vandalized by unknown individuals.]
Overall: Let me review this article. The article is long enough, with a readable prose size of 2,512 characters. All the content in the body of the article is properly sourced. The article does not use a promotional tone, and according to WP:EARWIG, no copyright violations or plagiarism were detected. The hook is look fine, imo and well-cited. I see that the creator has completed the QPQ, so this is good to go. Hteiktinhein (talk) 08:56, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Miminity: I just read your essay and yeah this seems super annoying that these sites just take down articles after a month! I tried to open the source using the hideproxy link, but it didn't have an archived copy for me. Not sure what the solution is. Maybe you can find another way to link an archived copy? – SquawkGuard (talk) 14:30, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey that worked, Thanks! @Miminity: I just added the archive to the page! After reviewing this more closely than drive-by checking the source:
I think the hook needs work cause it reads as if the statues were vandalized in the Sengoku period, but the statues are modern ones of guys from that period.
Unfortunately, I am not sure how interesting it is that some statues at a shopping center were vandalized. But another reviewer/promoter can weigh in. I'm just glad I could help out with the source! – SquawkGuard (talk) 15:48, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Ed McCann chose a career in civil engineering after being dissuaded from other branches of engineering by their military applications?
Source: "McCann was 17 when he first decided to become a civil engineer and it was mostly the reuslt of conversations and a desire to not kill anyone .... I was sent off to a careers fair and there were three engineering stalls that I was drawn to ... I went to the electrical engineering one first and asked what the man at the stall did and he told me that he was designing missile guidance systems. So next I went to the mechanical engineering stall and asked what the man there was working on and he said he designed tank propulsion system, I felt like a theme was developing. I then moved onto the civil engineer ... and I asked him about his work and he told me that he worked on water supply schemes, roads and railways" from: "The Social Engineer". New Civil Engineer. December 2021. pp. 21–22.
ALT1: ... that Ed McCann said that five secrets from Chris Hoy helped him to design a fast track for the London 2012 velodrome? Source: "McCann cites the success of designing a fast track cycling venue as the result of a conversation with cyclist Chris Hoy who explained the five tricks to designing a record-breaking velodrome" from the same source
Source: https://www.sondakika.com/guncel/haber-samsun-da-manda-islah-projesi-basladi-18527245/ “ Halbuki değişik bölgelerde baktığımızda biz özel üretimlerin manda etinden mesela bir sucuğun özel üretim denildiği zaman bunu manda etinden yapıyorlar.” Translation:“ For example, when a sausage is called special production, they're made from buffalo meat.”
Reviewing.... Congratulations on achieving GA status for this article. I will be happy to review this weekend, and post my comments by Sunday. Flibirigit (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article achieved GA status on September 4 and nominated for DYK within two days. Length and sourcing are adequate, and the article is neutral in tone. No plagiarism was detected, despite Earwig highlighting lists of proper nouns. All images used in the article have a public domain license on the Commons. They would be eligible for an image hook if proposed. The QPQ requirement is complete. The proposed hook seems to say that all of the buffalo are consumed for meat, which is not what the cited source says. The hook also diverts attention away from the delta to the sujuk. I recommended proposing other hooks which focus on the delta. Overall the article is in good condition, with only attention needed on the hook. Flibirigit (talk) 00:47, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Surgeon-Apothecary Sir Frederic Willans summoned the Archbishop of Canterbury to attend to the final moments of British king George V?
Source: "went to my room to be quiet and await my summons to the King's side for the last minutes . It came through Sir Frederick Willans about 11.15 p.m." from: Lockhart, John Gilbert (1949). Cosmo Gordon Lang. Hodder and Stoughton. p. 392.
ALT1: ... that Frederic Willans succeeded his father-in-law as Surgeon-Apothecary to the Household at Sandringham in 1924? Source: "Willans, Sir F. Jeune ... succeeded Sir Alan Manby as Surgeon-Apothecary to the Household at Sandringham in 1924" from:Matthews, Leslie Gerald (1967). The Royal Apothecaries. Wellcome Historical Medical Library. p. 170. "In 1916 he married Wynefred , only daughter of the late Sir Alan Manby , of Sandringham" from: The Lancet. J. Onwhyn. 1949. p. 245.
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried; Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
ALT1: ... that Homeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) never sets out to disprove homeopathy—yet its practitioners often end up doing it themselves? Source: per source 1 in article: Thiam, Boussa (February 14, 2022). "Die Widersprüche der Koryphäen". Deutschlandfunk Kultur (in German).
ALT2: ... that in Homeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured), when homeopaths finish explaining their therapy, few consistent principles remain? Source: per source 1 in article: Thiam, Boussa (February 14, 2022). "Die Widersprüche der Koryphäen". Deutschlandfunk Kultur (in German).
Reviewed:
Comment: Image is licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0 on Commons, free use confirmed.
Created by KAMfakten (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This is only a partial review for now: the article was indeed promoted to Good Article status on time so at least that's okay. My main concern is the hook: not only does it not meet WP:DYKINT as being a conservationist being the leader of a conservation group is not surprising or unusual, but it even vaguely sounds promotion. A different hook is needed here: I will do the full review once that is done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:22, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Vickers' specialised in Italian singing style (bel canto) operascout profile His opera resume shows almost exclusively Italian opera till he went to Italy, with the exceptions one production of Carmen (French) and one of Susannah (English). resume In an interview in Italy, he noted how that was funny to him. video interview, c. 2 min..
Reviewed:
Comment: I recently created the articles about Vickers on de.wikipedia and en.wikipedia, and learned that he is a specialist in Italian operas, who ironically sang Bizet's French opera Carmen as his first opera in Europe, in Italy of all places. His first performance in Germany was also in French, in Offenbach's Les contes d'Hoffmann, but I thought that singing French in Italy would be a better hook, without mentioning the second time that happened. (He actually did sing in Italian in Italy just days after his debut in French!)
Created by Suchfaktor (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
The article was converted from a redirect within seven days of creation and also meets the length requirements. Most of the article is properly sourced, although the "Video" and "Awards" sections need a reference. As the nominator has no prior nominations, no QPQ is needed here. The hook is cited inline and verified; however, given how Carmen is one of the world's most famous operas, I do not see how him performing Carmen is by itself interesting to a broad audience, so a different hook angle may be needed here. As this is an opera article, I am requesting help from 4meter4 regarding possible hook suggestions, as well as to give advice to the nominator regarding DYK. I also see that the nominator is largely inactive on the English Wikipedia and has not edited since the 10th, so if they are unable to return, I am also inviting 4meter4 to adopt the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:51, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I think you might have missed the point of the hook. The singer specializes in the Italian language repertory and it was therefore ironic that his stage debut in Italy was not in an Italian language opera but in a French language one. That's what the nominator I think was trying to get at. Note that language is not the only thing that separates these operas because different approaches to singing and different styles and performance traditions developed in each country, so it isn't just a matter of singing in a different language. One has to learn the diverging styles and performance tradition associated with the rep as well. That said, it's not unusual for opera singers to specialize in a certain repertory (ie French opera, Italian opera, Russian opera, Czech opera, German opera, etc.) but on occasion go outside that into another area of opera. Most singers won't stay entirely in a single repertoire during their career; partly because a more diverse repertoire keeps them employed, and partly because singers are often expected to tackle roles of varying kinds if they are a member of a repertory company. I wouldn't find this fact particularly unusual or surprising for that reason, and the subtlety of the hook might be missed. I'll give it a read and see if something else might be better. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:13, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4: I was aware of that, the thought I had was that the language did not really matter because, as far as I am aware, it is common for opera performers to specialize in multiple operas of different origins. The context you gave might still be too specialist regardless, so this is probably not the best angle to go with anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I think for people ignorant of opera (which is most people) they would find it surprising that someone known for singing in Italian would perform in French instead in Italy. It's the informed people like you and me that don't find it interesting. One would have to know opera singers are tackling different language rep routinely to find it boring. I'd be ok with this running for that reason since this is a DYK newbie if we can't come up with something better. Perhaps a covid-19 pandemic hook from the 75th anniversary of Opera Delaware? That's the only unusual thing that is really sticking out to me.4meter4 (talk) 14:25, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I'm not really a fan of COVID hooks as I feel like that's a horse that's been beaten to death on DYK. Perhaps you could find more information about him that could be added to the article? Maybe Viriditas also has some other ideas on possible hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:38, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5 Honestly, I don't think we are going to do better. He's your typical principal tenor performing in the standard opera repertoire at respectable mainly second tier opera houses in Europe. There's nothing really unusual about his work, and he isn't a top star in the big houses but he is singing major roles in the next step down theaters. The coverage of him is largely in the context of reviews of individual operas. Only one of the sources is specifically about him and his career, and it is behind a paywall which I can't access. I kind of doubt there is going to be anything there but anything is possible. Respectfully, I think we've highlighted the only two possibilities in this discussion. I do think you should weigh the need to support a first time nominator in the decision process, and not be too picky/demanding. It's not like this is a routine contributor throwing up the same problematic hooks (no name dropping required). We can run another covid hook; particularly in support of a first time nominator.4meter4 (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean if there's coverage out there about his personal life that could be added to the article. If there really isn't anything more we can do, we could discuss the COVID angle depending on how it's worded, and then present ALT0 and that ALT1 to further discussion by other editors to see their DYKINT compliance. I'm also still waiting for Viriditas to provide advice given they've been helpful in previous opera nominations. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:14, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for taking the time to consider my nomination! I found it amusing that a tenor who focused on Italian repertoire made his debut in Italy singing in French, and I won't be upset if that's not enough for a DYK. I found additional material about Vickers' life (especially during the pandemic) in video interviews and social media that would make for a very interesting article, but due to the nature of the sources, I did not use that. I added references to the Video and Awards sections now. They had been in the de.wikipedia article, I must have missed them. Perhaps a shorter version of the hook would be better to take the focus off Carmen, that's not the funny part after all – "DYK ... that Matthew Vickers, who specialised in Italian opera, made his debut in Italy singing in French?" Suchfaktor (talk) 06:26, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was ready to approve ALT1, however, the article and the hook don't exactly match. The article says he made his debut in a French opera, but the hook says he debuted in [the] French [language]. My knowledge of opera is admittedly limited so I don't know if it is common for Italian or French operas to be performed in other languages, but the wording is ambiguous enough that a minor reword may be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:15, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't know there was an Italian version of Carmen, but you're right, there is. I've changed the sentence to make it clear that it was actually performed in the original French, which fortunately is mentioned in the sources I cited. Suchfaktor (talk) 18:29, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the edit. However, reference 12 (which is about Carmen) does not seem to outright say that he performed the role in French. Does he say so in reference 11 (the YouTube link)? If so, could you please provide a timestamp to the relevant part? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:31, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5:Right, it's implied in Reference 12. The last sentence under the Carmen picture on the left says "In lingua originale con sopratitoli in italiano e in inglese" [In original language with surtitles in Italian and in English], and the original language of Carmen is French. However, in Reference 11, after about 41 seconds, Vickers says: "[...]I will make my debut in Italy in French." I can look for another reference if that's not enough; maybe I'll find a review. Suchfaktor (talk) 15:39, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:I have added the time to the reference where Vickers himself stated that it was his debut in Italy and in French, it seems to be the best source. There are several reviews of the performance online, but none of them mentioned that it was in French. That makes sense, since it's the original language; they would only have mentioned it if it had been in another language. There is a video trailer of the production on YouTube in which the mezzo-soprano sings in French, but I would rather not link to it as it contains some mild nudity. I also added a sentence about the performance being broadcast on Italian radio and that it was also the Italian debut for Irene Roberts (singer) as Carmen and David Bižić as Escamillo. Neither of them specialize in Italian opera, so the DYK fun fact remains special for Vickers. Suchfaktor (talk) 09:49, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Quote: "The Tigertail Virtual Museum is a Web site containing 5,000 famous works of art that Robert Uzgalis, the museum's director, has virtually restored. The works now look as he imagines they did at the time of their creation. Using software to alter images he has pulled from the Internet, Mr. Uzgalis intensifies colors on faded paintings and replaces body parts on chipped statues. He has even straightened the Leaning Tower of Pisa."
Comment: The hook aims to grab the reader who initially wonders about which constitution was written in 1997 or was extended to include a 42nd article in 1997, and wonders about whether it's the country Georgia or the US state Georgia, and so decides to seek more info by reading either the new article or the Georgian constitution article.
Created by Boud (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.
... that My Dad, the first entry in My Family Member series of illustrated children books, was inspired by the author's discovery of his father’s old gown? Source: as mentioned, among others, in cited and footnoted Duncan (2013) and Evans (2020)
Source: Dibble 1983: "Professor Maryon's painting career began in the small hamlets near his Salt Lake City home, but it flowered along the ocean front of Northern California, inspired in a large measure by experiences during a two-year tour of duty in the Language School of the United States Army at the Presidio of Monterey, Calif. Waterfront scenes still motivate much of his work."
ALT1: ... that The Path to Rome contains several passages where the narrator argues with an imagined reader who is often combative and confused? Source: Frassati Jakupcak 2015, p. 65
I think this is biased. I think other users probably think the same. And that's not interesting, because it's news that's widely reported around the world. Cassilvwikis (talk) 02:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"It is the first time that four named storms have existed at the same time in November since records began in 1951, Japan’s Meteorological Agency confirmed to CNN Tuesday. It’s also the first time in seven years that it has happened in any month."
"It is the first time that four named storms have existed at the same time in November since records began in 1951, Japan’s Meteorological Agency confirmed to CNN Tuesday. It’s also the first time in seven years that it has happened in any month."
Reviewed:
Comment: May be presented in main page in November (presence of typhoon)
Improved to Good Article status by RFNirmala (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: Holmberg, Ryan, ed. (2023). "Dreams and Wanderings: The Tsuge Yoshiharu Revolution, 1968–72". Nejishiki. Drawn & Quarterly. p. xxiii. ISBN978-1-77046-506-0.
Quote: "Ergo, in 1977, when Tezuka, in his widely read How to Draw Manga, offered Nejishiki as his primary example of "irrational gag manga" [...] "
ALT1: ... that the backgrounds in surrealist manga Nejishiki are inked photographs?
Source: Holmberg, Ryan, ed. (2023). "Dreams and Wanderings: The Tsuge Yoshiharu Revolution, 1968–72". Nejishiki. Drawn & Quarterly. p. vi. ISBN978-1-77046-506-0.
Quote: "Though Tsuge's appropriation of found photos was conservative by comparison--with just a few dozen documented swipes--not only did he copy photographs from some of the same books and magazines that Mizuki and his assistants did, sometimes he even used the exact same images."
ALT2: ... that Nejishiki was a manga with a cult following among the 1960s avant-garde movement?
Source: Holmberg, Ryan, ed. (2023). "Dreams and Wanderings: The Tsuge Yoshiharu Revolution, 1968–72". Nejishiki. Drawn & Quarterly. p. xxii. ISBN978-1-77046-506-0.
Quote: "Nejishiki quickly became an icon of its era. It was frequently written about by prominent intellectuals and artists from a variety of fields, [...] spotlighted in publications about contemporary avant-garde culture, [...] "
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Plifal (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that Way of the Warrior was filmed in an apartment with a cream-colored screen nailed to a wall, blocking all ventilation and pushing temperatures to 105 °F?
Source: GameFan ("WOTW was developed on $80,000 out of our pocket in our den. The “blue” screen that we used (the only canvas we could find was actually cream screen) was nailed directly into the walls. (...) there was no ventilation through the windows because the canvas screen covered it. Yet we were using two 1000 watt lights. We had a thermometer in the apartment that hit 105 degrees during Nikki Chan’s filming!")
ALT1: ... that neighbors thought Naughty Dog was filming adult films due to their setup of shooting the moves of Way of the Warrior from an apartment hallway? Source: Game Informer ("But as bad luck would have it, the apartment was too small. To film the moves in the game, Jason had to open the front door and shoot from the apartment hallway. The neighbors thought the boys were shooting kinky adult flicks.")
ALT2: ... that Way of the Warrior was the first video game to feature music by Rob Zombie? Source: Game Informer (Page 31: "Rob Zombie seems to pop up on the soundtrack of about every other game released these days. What was the first game to feature the music of Mr. Zombie (or, in this case, his old band White Zombie)?" Page 33: "Way of the Warrior for the 3DO features “Thunderkiss ‘69" among other White Zombie songs. This game is also significant for being developed by Naughty Dog, which went on to create a manic vermin named Crash Bandicoot.")
ALT3: ... that Harvard University's 1994 valedictorian, David R. Liu, was the lead tester for Way of the Warrior, and would promote the game in television interviews about his studies? Source: IGN ("And their lead tester? He was the Valedictorian of the Harvard class of 1994, a guy named David Liu. Liu’s not only famous for his academic pedigree, or because of his early work with Naughty Dog. He was a prolific, professional Street Fighter II player. “He was one of those savant guys at Street Fighter who’s just insanely good,” Gavin said. Liu would even try to plug Way of the Warrior during television interviews about his time at Harvard, and was on wanted lists at casinos in Las Vegas and Atlantic City for card counting.")
... that Mihoko Ishida became a singer while playing football?
Source: Oricon[歌手活動も行っている異色の現役女子サッカー選手・石田ミホコが、セカンドシングル「one for ALL」を本日22日（水）に発売した。Ishida Mihoko, an active female soccer player who also works as a singer, released her second single, "one for ALL," today, the 22nd (Wednesday).]
Comment: I don't know football, I just expand this for destubbing effort and this was in risk of deletion. I also don't know how to phrase this hooks.this is the permalink before I expand it (243 characters). Special Thanks Svartner for bringing this to me.
5x expanded by Miminity (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 33 past nominations.
... that Madeleine Tchicaya declined the President's offer to run for a second term in the National Assembly, saying she was "bored to death" of politics?
Comment: Regarding the last hook, it's not technically incorrect (it was a presidency), and the dictator is Gaddafi. Subject has been dead for four years. I understand if the reviewer wishes for the hook to be modified, though, for clarity.
Created by Jolielover (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.
... that in 1702, Anglo-Dutch forces assaulted the city of Liège while under fire from 72 cannon, 50 howitzers and mortars, and 250 hand mortars?
Source: Wijn 1956, p. 186.
ALT1: ... that although the 1702 capture of Liège left Anglo-Dutch forces dominant in the Low Countries, their commander was still dissatisfied? Source: Churchill 1936, p. 605.
ALT2: ... that during the 1702 siege of Liège, the leading engineer was so angered by a colleague's disobedience he threatened to abandon the siege? Source: Wijn 1956, p. 185.
ALT4: ... that the Republican makeup look is believed to result from applying foundation too dark for the wearer's skin tone and then blending it with the fingers rather than a brush? Source: All the others.
@Launchballer:Well, since they said they "don't have time or energy to fix everything" after removing 6-7K or so, it doesn't look like they have any interest in coming back. and, really, what's the point of going to that length to fix a problem and only afterwards leaving a tag describing the problem? I sure wouldn't do that sort of thing ... it's like adding a whole bunch of sources to an article largely lacking in them, and only then putting {{refimprove}} on the article or section. At the very least leave something on the talk page about some further changes that might be made on the talk page. As it is it's very drive-by ... why identify a problem if you're not willing to fix it or even say how?
Given my experience reviewing ANEW reports, I am averse to removing such tags when I am the one who did the most work on the article, but here I am hard put to see any other alternative.
@Bremps: I've thought about that ... but I don't think a merged article is eligible for DYK. And what might you call it? Cosmetic aesthetic of MAGA? I don't think you could use "Trump" in the title because it would be about more than him or his administration. I think, honestly, if someone had created such an article people would just as readily be suggesting it be split up into something like what we have now. Daniel Case (talk) 19:09, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Claude Hayes ran away to sea in the 1860s before beginning his career as a landscape painter(painting pictured)?
Source: "He ran away to sea, serving on The Golden Fleece, one of the transports used in the Abyssinian Expedition of 1867 to 1868.
Hayes spent a year in America, then came back and studied art at Heatherleys School and for three years at the Royal Academy Schools, he also studied in Antwerp under Verlat." Haynes Fine Art
... that Brazilian forces successfully used an image of the Virgin of Carmel to distract attackers during a siege to the New Coimbra Fort?
Source: Bento, Cláudio. "FORTE DE COIMBRA: DOIS SÉCULOS DE HISTÓRIA, DE FÉ E DE GLÓRIAS" (PDF). Revista da Academia de História Militar Terrestre do Brasil (in Portuguese). Academia de História Militar Terrestre do Brasil, p. 13.
ALT1: ... that despite being massively outnumbered by enemy forces, the New Coimbra Fort's defenders managed to evacuate in good order during a siege in 1864? Source: Souza, Antonio F. (1919). A invasão Paraguaya em Matto-Grosso [The Paraguayan invasion in Matto-Grosso], p. 11-12.
ALT2: ... that the New Coimbra Fort was founded by 245 men in 15 canoes, guided by an elderly indian man? Source: Bento, Cláudio. "FORTE DE COIMBRA: DOIS SÉCULOS DE HISTÓRIA, DE FÉ E DE GLÓRIAS" (PDF). Revista da Academia de História Militar Terrestre do Brasil (in Portuguese). Academia de História Militar Terrestre do Brasil, p. 3.
Reviewed:
Comment: If necessary, I can transcribe/translate the cited sources. They all are linked in the article.
Improved to Good Article status by Coeusin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that "Seasons of Change" was written by Blackfeather members, Neale Johns and John Robinson. It was recorded with help from local group Fraternity's John Bisset and Bon Scott. Robinson promised Scott that Blackfeather would not release the song as a single. Fraternity issued their rendition in March 1971 in Adelaide. When it appeared on local charts, label boss, David Sinclair reneged on that promise and released Blackfeather's version as a single in direct competition?
ALT0a: ... that "Seasons of Change" was recorded by Australian band Blackfeather with help from Fraternity's John Bisset and Bon Scott; after Fraternity's version charted in Adelaide, Blackfeather released their rendition as a 1971 single?
Better, although a hook should be one sentence, and brackets aren't allowed (possibly move 1971 to before 'single'). We have a workable hook for this, so full review needed.--Launchballer01:52, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that sound recordings did not gain federal copyright protection in the United States until 1972?
Source: "Congress brought sound recordings within the scope of federal copyright law for the first time on February 15, 1972." (U.S. Copyright Office report, page 5)
Comment: Strong preference for ALT0b, especially since I nominated Ben Roberts-Smith for DYK a few months ago and it was rejected. Refer to Template:Did you know nominations/Ben Roberts-Smith. Roberts-Smith's avenues for appeal have now expired with the High Court refusing leave to hear his appeal. I would really appreciate if Ben Roberts-Smith article is bolded in the first hook given I already provided QPQ for it. I'm able to provide additional QPQ if required for a double bolded hook. If consensus to permit ALT0b is not present in the DT:DYK discussion I started then please run hook ALT0a as my preference.
Improved to Good Article status by TarnishedPath (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Fair enough, I must have missed that comment. I'm willing to give McKenzie a full review, but I would first like to ask TarnishedPath: are you open to Roberts-Smith not being a bolded link, or is his article not being bolded non-negotiable? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't that. I've just been busy over the last few days that I haven't had the time to take a good look at this. I also got scared by the fact that the article is semi'd indefinitely, which spooked me a bit. Anyway, the article was indeed a new GA and I did not find any close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. Among the hooks proposed, the "trial of the century" hook is the best option. However, after thinking about this for a bit, I'm leaning more in favor towards not mentioning Roberts-Smith at all in the hook. The focus is supposed to be on McKenzie, and just saying he won the "trial of the century" is enough. Basically, the fact that it was against Roberts-Smith is a less important/essential detail that could easily be deleted. So something like "... that in 2023, Australian lawyer Nick McKenzie(pictured) won what was dubbed 'the trial of the century'?" is something I would approve. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:15, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I stated above that I was open to the possibility of Roberts-Smith, not being bolded, but I think that any possible other hook would need to be a cracker to be more interesting than the current ALT0b. That McKenzie beat Roberts-Smith is part of what makes it as interesting, not just that it was dubbed the trial of the century. TarnishedPathtalk07:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that not all readers know who Roberts-Smith is, so to an uninterested reader who only sees the hook and does not have background knowledge, saying that he beat Roberts-Smith specifically is the interesting point may not really be the case. Sure, we could include some brief context about Roberts-Smith to make that point clearer, but not only would it make the hook longer, it would re-open a can of worms that was already discussed in the last nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5. Anyone who doesn't know who Roberts-Smith is, is less likely to know who McKenzie is. That's why we run hooks on DYK, to introduce readers to topics and hopefully get views. I went to WT:DYK prior to presenting the double hook in this nomination and even edited it to remove—what some thought were—extraneous words and obtained consensus to run the a double hook. I think it is only fair that this nomination be assessed on that consensus. Do I need to request a new reviewer? TarnishedPathtalk11:29, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking about this, it might for the best to have an uninvolved editor (i.e. someone who wasn't involved in the WT:DYK discussion, meaning neither I nor Launchabller) make the final decision. Personally, I still do not think that Roberts-Smith's name is essential to the hook fact as I think that the "trial of the century" fact is the main hook fact, but if an uninvolved editor approves the hook I will no longer object.
In the interest of compromise, given that there was consensus for a one-time IAR exemption, and how ALT4 mostly solves my original "non-essential" issue, I'd be okay with some variant of ALT4. The issue is that ALT4's wording is a bit awkward at the moment and doesn't flow as well as it should given that it is like McKenzie's name was tacked onto the hook. Maybe it could be reworded further to make McKenzie's mention feel more natural? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5, here's a couple of variations. The first is just a reordering/rewording of ALT4 and the second removes any mention of murder in the case of WP:DYKHOOKBLP/WP:BLP concerns. There really shouldn't be any concerns given that this has now been to the high court of Australia and it is a heavy focus of the article, but I'll present the hook in the interest of moving this forward.
I'd be okay with either. I'm not really sure if we need to link to Besanko or to substantial truth (I'm more of a link minimalist when it comes to hooks), but that will be up for the promoter and reviewer to decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:09, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but you may need to ask for consensus at WT:DYK for that considering the backlash against "first" hooks. In case, for whatever reason, the "first" hook cannot run as is, can you propose alternatives? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:34, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5 Just a gentle reminder to avoid WP:INSTRUCTIONCREEP. We shouldn't be asking editors to jump through extra hoops not outlined at WP:DYKCRIT or asserting WP:CONSENSUS on topics that haven't had a formal discussion / policy or guideline based outcome. To my knowledge we have not prohibited "first hooks", and have never discussed this topic in isolation. At best, we have only had discussions on individual problematic first hooks. The issue with extrapolating wider consensus from those is they are biased in a certain direction because they are in the context of a problematic hook proposal. I personally would be vehemently opposed to a blanket ban as there are many instances where a first achievement is well documented and widely agreed upon across many reliable sources. I don't think you are going to find wide support on a topic ban of this type at DYK, or support for needing to take these types of hooks outside of the hands of the individual reviewer. You probably would get support for a "use with caution" recommendation and requiring multiple pieces of evidence for such hooks. That would seem reasonable. In this case this hook fits the multiple sources criteria for verification as suggested by WP:Verifiability. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was 5x expanded in the window, but also reached GA status after the nomination was made so double qualifies. QPQ has been done. No policy errors such as copyright violations detected. The concerns over general first hook issues are completely unwarranted in this case given the number and quality of reliable sources verifying the hook fact. Further, I question whether Narutolovehinata5 has correctly taken the temperature on this issue at DYK. We've run first hooks successfully in the past, and will continue to do so. They can and should be challenged when appropriate, but this doesn't appear to be one of those cases. No further hook proposals are needed.4meter4 (talk) 14:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Normally, I wouldn't ask for this, but the relevant discussion at WT:DYK hasn't exactly had a positive response to "first" hooks so far, so it may be a good idea to hold on approving ALT0 for now. It can be approved once the discussion has run its course, a different editor takes a look at this, or if safer options are proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:08, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does "first Haitian" mean here? First with Haitian citizenship? First one identifying as Haitian? First ethnic Haitian? It would be good to clarify what is being claimed. —Kusma (talk) 07:18, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure of his citizenship, but he was the first ethnic Haitian. I've thoroughly searched and haven't been able to find any challengers to any of his "first" titles. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:06, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion about "firsts" appears to have gone nowhere, but regardless, the hook may need to be revised to say "ethnic Haitian" because just saying "Haitian" is too vague. Although the discussion seems to be leaning towards allowing first hooks (i.e. the status quo), it would still be good to propose one or two non-"first" hooks if possible, although the "first" hook would remain the primary option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:36, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would say the discussion has gone somewhere. At the moment, consensus appears to definitively rebuke those arguing that first hooks aren't usable or that there is some sort of community supported reason to not use "first hooks" when they are verifiable. It has also reaffirmed that first hooks should follow current guidelines that are already in place, and should not be treated differently than other noms at review. The premise behind holding up this review doesn't appear to have community backing, nor does the repeating demand for alternate hook proposals. We shouldn't be requiring alt hooks when they aren't necessary (and one isn't in this case). That said, tweaking of the language does seem appropriate for clarity sake.4meter4 (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The comment about asking for alternative hooks was meant for BeanieFan. The main reason for it was mainly in the off chance that the hook somehow turned out to be false and we have a replacement ready to go. We saw this happen with the "first Bermudian MLB" hook which, despite multiple sources being used to confirm the hook including the MLB itself, turned out to be inaccurate. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Him being the first Haitian NFL player is by far the most interesting hook. One could possibly have something like "... that Jocelyn Borgella is of Haitian descent, was born in The Bahamas, and played professional football in the United States, Canada and Scotland?" but that's not as good. I've already extensively searched for any other possible Haitian NFL players preceding him and could not find any. This worrying over someone possibly coming before him is excessive, particularly over a dozen reliable sources have confirmed this fact in three different decades and many of said sources have written stories on the very topic of him being the first – and no one has been able to find any possible challengers to his "first" title. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, you really just can't blame DYK for giving this extra scrutiny considering previous experiences. "First" hooks are definitely possible, it's just that we've had enough bad experiences with them that people can't help but be skeptical sometimes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:22, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that a civil case between Mark Aldridge and a shop owner established that a person can be liable for the defamatory comments of others on their social media posts? Source: https://www.marinolaw.com.au/defamation-say-pay/ "In a recent decision concerning defamation, namely Johnston v Aldridge [2018] SADC 68 (“Johnston”), the District Court of South Australia has found that a person can be liable for defamation as a consequence of other users’ comments on a post. The Court in that matter found that a person who makes a post which subsequently attracts defamatory comments can be liable for the defamatory imputations arising from comments as a “secondary publisher”."
Source: "Forty years after the film was first released in 1960 by K Asif, the producers of the all-new Mughal-e-Azam have given credit to the late Raskavi Raghunath Brahmabhatt for the lyrics of the song. All these years, the lyrics (of this song) had been credited to the late Shakeel Badayuni."[1]
Source: "Lyrics: Shakil Badayuni, Raghunath Brahmbhatt for the song 'Mohe Panghat Pe' "[2]
Reviewed:
Created by Snehrashmi (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Japanese businessman Yasuyoshi Kato used embezzled funds to support his wife, who bought twenty Arabian horses, several emus, llamas, potbellied pigs, miniature cattle, and nurse sharks? Source: Murr, Andrew (26 October 1997). "Living High On The Hog". Newsweek. p. 48.
ALT2: ... that the embezzlement that Japanese businessman Yasuyoshi Kato committed has been called "outlandish in its simplicity"? Source: Murr, Andrew (26 October 1997). "Living High On The Hog". Newsweek. p. 48.
ALT4: ... that the judge presiding over the trial of Yasuyoshi Kato criticized Kato's 5-year sentence for his "extraordinary" embezzlement? Source: "Thief gets maximum: 5-year term". Deseret News. Associated Press. 7 October 1997.
Reviewed:
Comment: Newsweek article used is reliable source per WP:RS/P as it was published well before 2013. Deseret is reliable regardless.
Moved to mainspace by Nighfidelity (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that at the same time he played in the NFL, Red Seidelson(pictured) worked as a dentist? Source: same
ALT2: ... that NFL player Red Seidelson(pictured) reportedly had such a reputation as a fighter that police officers sometimes asked him to come with them as "insurance" if they expected "any sticky situations"? Source: same
... that Lyubov Radchenko ran the day to day operations of the Russian socialist newspaper Iskra?
Source: Savel'ev, P. Iu.; Tiutiukin, S. V. (2006). "Iulii Osipovich Martov (1873-1923): The Man and the Politician". Russian Studies in History. 45 (1): 17. doi:10.2753/RSH1061-1983450101.
ALT1: ... that two successive queens of Jerusalem, mother and daughter, lost their lives to childbirth—Maria after giving birth to Isabella II, and Isabella II after bearing her own heir (pictured)?
ALT2: ... that mother and daughter Queens Maria and Isabella II of Jerusalem (pictured) both died of childbirth complications shortly after delivering their successors?
Comment: I nominate this now because Maria of Montferrat passed its GA nomination a week ago. Isabella II of Jerusalem will be formally added to the nomination shortly, after one remaining issue in the GA review is addressed.
Isabella added.
Created by Surtsicna (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 253 past nominations.
Overall: Thank you for a courageous and balanced article about a book which appears to have the same qualities. I have mentioned a few examples below in which the article's existing balance can be strengthened.
Due to the controversial nature of the subject matter, the article must be clear about quotes and sources, so we must keep our distance from sources, and be tougher than usual over minor elements of copyvio. Please put the following phrases in quotation marks, and credit them individually with citations: 1, "personal, historical, philosophical and revolutionary", 2. "against the injustices", 3. "destruction of schools, universities, museums, churches, mosques, and even cemeteries", 4. "do everything in their power to combat". The issue is not primarily about the minor plagiarism here: it's about keeping a professional distance from sources, even though we may share those opinions.
Please check the article carefully for examples of opinions about the book, and make sure that every opinion is openly (i.e. in the body text) credited to the person or publication who/which gave the opinion.Storye book (talk) 10:47, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
*Actually I did not write most of it, it was a rescued AFC draft. I went back through and deleted a few sentences that could be constructed as opinion based. I think everything else is clearly attributed. Storye book, thank you for reviewing. (t · c) buidhe15:22, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: that the 2025 book The World After Gaza was deemed both "repugnant" and "monstrous" for being both overly and insufficiently critical of Israel?
Thank you, Buidhe. It looks well-balanced to me, now. Good to go with ALTs 0 and 1. (I have added a suggested ALT0a with the inserted word, "both" for clarity - that can be also used if approved by a third party.). Storye book (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
: This book is unique in its kind because it is the first time an Indian has addressed the issues of Israel and Palestine. Why is respecting to wp:pov not observed in both the hooks? Why is there an intention to disparage the book when this book has also received positive feedback.GolsaGolsa (talk) 07:55, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understood the hooks to be balanced politically, but of course that depends on how one perceives the politics. On this subject, we are never going to be able to convince everybody that everything we write is balanced. Looking at the critics and the book only:
* ALT2 ... that the critic Johny Stanly said that the 2025 book, The World After Gaza, was a compelling examination of the moral failings of a violent past and present. (Source: citation is next to the fact in the article).
FWIW being criticized by "both sides" could be interpreted positively as achieving objectivity and not shying away from inconvenient facts glossed over by partisans. That was why the initial hook was proposed. (t · c) buidhe12:23, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
^ ALT4 is not appropriate for two reasons. (1) it fails DYK interest requirements, and (b) it could be interpreted as a perception from one political/religious aspect only, which in turn could be interpreted as non-neutral. Storye book (talk) 18:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Hi @Saltymagnolia: This is a fun little article! I almost ran into a problem with the photo: The F. J. King had three masts; this one only has two! However, I looked it up and it seems the third was added later, maybe something to add to the article to avoid WP:ERRORS replies.
On sources:
I think this hook may be an over statement from shipwreckworld.com which is actually written by the guy who discovered this shipwreck, so not a great source to back up 'one of the most sought after'. I found a New York Times article though and added it to the page. They don't call it the most sought after, but they do call it a "ghost ship" that's repeated in all the sources. Maybe that's a cool hook if its added to the page.
Something like:
ALT2 ... that the recently discovered F. J. King(pictured) was considered a Lake Michigan ghost ship ? (using NYT source)
EDIT: Maybe ALT2 is confusing because it is called a ghost ship, but I don't know if it actually meets the definition most people think of when you say ghost ship which is "adrift" not shipwrecked. Love to hear thoughts on that. Oh and I don't think ALT1 is interesting enough for a lay audience WP:DYKINT, but I think there are interesting hooks here maybe the money or the civilian crew if the ghost ship doesn't work.
@Saltymagnolia: Definitely he is an expert! I looked him up and for historical facts I think there is no problem. However, I think there is a conflict of interest in announcing you discovered a shipwreck and self-classifying it as one of the most sought after. Other sources don't say this and I saw another thing he wrote about the most sought after ships like a top ten list (? on my memory) and this one wasn't on it. How do you feel about another alt? I think this article is good and interesting! The ghost ship thing I still think is workable if you do. Or the fact it only took a few hours to find once they started the search this time is interesting - SquawkGuard (talk) 13:16, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The broad definition of field propulsion refers to propulsion systems in which thrust arises from interactions with external fields or ambient media, rather than from the sustained expulsion of onboard reaction mass or reliance on solid chemical fuels.[1]
... that Bijal P. Trivedi wrote a book about how cystic fibrosis went from a "death sentence" of children to a manageable, non-fatal condition due to new drugs that brought “weeping with joy”?
Source: "Science journalist Trivedi debuts with a glowing account of how Boston businessman Joe O’Donnell, after losing a son to cystic fibrosis in 1986, raised hundreds of millions for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, which pioneered the use of “venture philanthropy” for drug discovery. Trivedi covers low points in O’Donnell’s story (early on, when still struggling to keep his son alive, O’Donnell had “a sick child gasping for breath, a mortgage, no job, no health insurance, and no backup plan”) as well as his triumphs, as he became a powerful businessman and worked with the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation to fund groundbreaking research. Most notably, this included a well-placed investment in Vertex Pharmaceuticals, which in 2012 pioneered the first of several treatments involving drugs matched to patients’ individual gene mutations. Elaborating on the science as well as the business behind the fight against cystic fibrosis, Trivedi captures the emotions of the families, doctors, and scientists involved in the clinical trials and their “weeping with joy” as new drugs are approved, and shows how cystic fibrosis, once a “death sentence,” became, for many, a manageable condition. This is a rewarding and challenging work.""
Source: "These two archaeologists gave an immediate edge to the initial development of North Korean archaeology. In addition, proper law system on cultural heritage preservation boosted new archaeological tasks [...] murals, were found and excavated at the Anak area around Pyeongyang City (K. Lee, 1990: 109). Interpretation of these excavation results emphasized the eradication of Japanese imperialistic legacy and propelled spiritual resuscitation of the Korean people. This agenda combined with the struggle for power by Kim Il-sung was propagated among North Koreans in order to make them believe that communist North Korea solely assumes historical legitimacy/supremacy over South Korea. The final result of this agenda burst into an undeclared war in 1950." Yoo, Yongwook (2016). "A Story of Their Own: What Happened and What is Going on with North Korean Archaeology?". Archaeology of the Communist Era. Springer Science+Business Media. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-45108-4_11. ISBN 9783319451060. pages 281 and 282
Overall: Excellent article! New enough, long enough, well sourced to papers, neutral. Earwig said 13.8%, due to the source repeating over and over the words. It's epic that the QPQ is being displayed in the main page right now. I'll suggest hooks down here. Earth605talk13:51, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per definiton, everything an independent country does needs to be after independence, aka Korean War. I would suggest:
... that the Illinois Institute of Technology Academic Campus(pictured) has been ranked as both one of the US's most significant architectural works and its least beautiful campus? Source: (1) Schweiterman, Joseph P; Caspall, Dana M; Heron, Jane (2006). The Politics of Place: A History of Zoning in Chicago. Chicago, IL: Lake Claremont Press. p. 51. "During America's bicentennial year, the American Institute of Architects recognized the IIT campus - the largest and most significant collection of Mies buildings in the world - as one of the country's 200 most significant works of architecture." (2) Kaiser, Robert L. (September 13, 1997). "Mies-ly IIT Shrugs Off Ugly Tag Architects Vying to Alter `blah' Image That Sticks With It". Chicago Tribune. pp. 1, 1:1. "Now, in the current edition of a book called "The 311 Best Colleges," the Princeton Review ranks IIT as the nation's "least beautiful campus." The rating is based on responses to a survey of 56,000 college students, said the book's author, Ed Custard."
ALT2: ... that when Ludwig Mies van der Rohe was tasked with designing the Illinois Institute of Technology Academic Campus(pictured), the college's trustees were unaware of his plans? Source: Schulze, Franz (1985). Mies Van Der Rohe: A Critical Biography. University of Chicago Press. pp. 220-221
ALT4: ... that World War II caused some buildings at the Illinois Institute of Technology Academic Campus(pictured) to be built with concrete frames and custom steel windows? Source: Schulze, Franz (March 10, 2005). Illinois Institute of Technology: An Architectural Tour by Franz Schulze. Princeton Architectural Press. pp. 25, 32.
Comment: Thanks to LEvalyn for suggesting some of the hooks. This article last appeared at DYK in 2010; DYK renominations are allowed after five years per WP:DYKNEW.
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 748 past nominations.
... that the courtyard of Fort George(pictured) was the site of the 19 October 1983 execution of Maurice Bishop, prime minister of Grenada?
Source: "When Bishop’s confinement became broadly known, thousands of his ardent supporters marched on his home on 19 October and set him free. Bishop next led the crowd to bloodlessly seize control of Fort Rupert, the island’s military headquarters. Other Grenadian regular Army soldiers loyal to the Coard faction then were dispatched in three armored vehicles to retake the fort and recapture Bishop. Shooting started when the soldiers faced off with Bishop’s supporters at the fort’s entrance. Three soldiers and at least eight civilians were killed in the ensuing melee and panic that also injured about 100 other civilians. The surviving soldiers captured Bishop, three of his ministers, and four other loyal supporters and led them away to a walled courtyard. Shortly after, the eight were executed in cold blood by a firing squad of soldiers who (according to subsequent court testimony) declared they were acting under the orders of the Central Committee" from: Kukielski, Philip G. (1 September 2021). "Secret Mission of Urgent Fury". U.S. Naval Institute.
Comment: I cleared this article in January as none of it was sourced, and promptly forgot I'd done that until a week ago, when ITV uploaded an episode of The Price is Right to ITVX for its 70th birthday. I'm not sure what 5x starts from, so I've also nominated this for GA and am happy to go through WP:GARC if necessary. Also, The X Factor was the most watched UK programme of the 2010s, so I'd expect a broad audience to have heard of it (it's certainly going to mean more than the name alone).
5x expanded by Launchballer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 325 past nominations.
Not a review, but while "bombastic" adds flavor to the hook and will probably get it more attention, I'm not sure if it would hold up to scrutiny. For one, it's only one source (The Independent) that calls him as such, so I don't think we can describe him as "bombastic" in Wikivoice. At best, "bombastic" may have to be in quotes (although that may still not be enough for the attribution police); otherwise, his name may have to be spelled out in full instead as the safest option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:10, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sławomir has been described as the "king" of the fusion genre rock-polo? Source: Pilawski, Patrycjusz (7 January 2018). "OJ UW - rock polo". nowewyrazu.uw.edu.pl. University of Warsaw. Archived from the original on 10 August 2020. Retrieved 20 September 2025. Gatunek muzyczny łączący elementy rocka i disco polo [...] "Sławomir, król nietypowego nurtu muzycznego, rock-polo, rozgrzał wczoraj nowogrodzką publiczność do czerwoności"
Article does not currently contain the phrase "huge pain in the ass". How about something pertaining to "He often had to take upwards of three showers to fully remove the paint" ? DS (talk) 19:00, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Cuatro años después, en 1982, participó de la guerra de Malvinas al mando del destructor Hércules, en una actuación por la que luego fue condecorado"
"En esa tarea, la actuación de Molina Pico no pasó desapercibida: puso en marcha la primera fuerza naval de las Naciones Unidas en el Caribe, con buques argentinos, y coordinó operaciones de tropas de nuestro país en la Guerra del Golfo."
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Created by Mooonswimmer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: Both articles were created on the same UTC day (the book and the author redirect within minutes, and the author page a bit over 16 hours later).
Created by Miraclepine (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 107 past nominations.
... that the gender-flipped story of Warriors(co-writer pictured) was partly inspired by the Gamergate harassment campaign? Source: Associated Press - Miranda: "[Gender swapping the characters] was the coin flip that made me go, “I think I understand how this could be interesting to write.” Around the time I had just gotten out of “Hamilton,” Gamergate was happening online. ... Anonymous online trolls were just like, “I don’t think that women should be in video games. Here’s her f——— home address.” And that kind of act, the chaos of deciding to destabilize someone’s life and then just going back to your computer, the first thing that I thought of was Luther shooting Cyrus, pointing to Warriors and going, “They did it.” And now the Warriors have the rest of the night with every gang thinking they’ve broken the truce and they’re fighting for their lives over the act of one person with a gun. I made that connection and then thought, “Well, if the Warriors are women, how does that change the narrative?” At every point, it complicates it in a really compelling way."
The article notes: "Berry, 53, who lives in San Francisco, said it takes up to two years to complete one of his "Moonlight Cutter" series, which feature vivid swordplay, ghosts, murdering spirits and cursed spears amid the architecture and costumes of 12th century China. He's never been to China but wants to go. On the other hand, he said, "the China I'd like to visit doesn't exist any more.""
The article notes: "Berry was creating graphic comics long before he got into radio. He has been a professional independent comic-book writer/artist since the 1980s while living in Bakersfield. "Ninja Funnies," his first book, sold more than 35,000 copies."
The article notes: "At the same time, Berry was working as a stage hand and doing promotions for the Bakersfield Fox Theatre. And he was a fencing instructor at California State University, Bakersfield. The fencing background helps him create detailed battle sequences for his graphic novel characters."
For me, the article meets the nomination criteria (technically, 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough). It is well-designed and very well-documented. For an image, I would suggest this Dieckmann erich moebelbau 1931, which has been published very frequently, as it is his book. (On https://imjustcreative.com/erich-dieckmann-metal-tube-chair/2019/12/15, for example) and a new beginning Erich Dieckmann designed furniture that grew organically and wasn't cobbled together—from an elephant's body, a bay leaf, a spider's leg, if you will. (from his quote) (talk) Birkho (talk) 08:20, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Birkho: I'm confused why you have left a review here. Maybe it is different on dewiki, but on enwiki the DYK process only requires a single reviewer, and it's generally best for the reviewer not to be someone who has been a major contributor to the article. I suggest you strike your review (or at least remove the symbol) to avoid confusion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello, yes, it's different here on dewiki. You can make suggestions and participate in the discussion, and the best introduction and image will be chosen. One question: Why does the image have licensing issues, given that it's available on Wikipedia Commons? Can I help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birkho (talk • contribs)
Article is new enough (technically 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough) and long enough. It is well-sourced, neutral, copyvio-free, and presentable. A new hook is needed (see WP:HOOK) – the current hook is improperly formatted, does not appear in the article, and is not verified by the given citation. I am also concerned about the image – the source is a non-functional link with no further details, making it impossible to verify that it was actually anonymously published. Either a correct link that verifies the anonymous publication needs to be found, or the image should be removed from this nomination. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ariegel: The revised hook is better, but it appears to be a broad summation of the article rather than a specific fact that is included in the article. The claimed source is not used in the article and does not contain any information other than birth/death dates. Additionally, the copyright issue with the image has not been resolved. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello again, here a new proposal: another picture by Erich Dieckmann; or one of his stylish chairs, which is my recommendation, the photo is public domain. Both pictures are shown in the link, hope this helps. * Light club chair 1926 Erich Dieckmann
And here is a new hook (this is the heart of the matter): Did you know that Erich Dieckmann, one of the most productive and innovative furniture designers of the Bauhaus is almost forgotten today?Ariegel (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Hi there. I did not use ChatGPT to write the reply or the article, btw I am an expert for the bauhaus movement and don't need AI for this matter :) I did ask ChatGPT if my formating is right, because I messed it up, and Pi.1415926535 did not respond to my call for help but fortunately another experienced Wikipedian (a human) could help me.
@Launchballer: Hi there. I didn't want to interfere with the nomination and wasn't familiar with your rules, but Ariegel asked me for support, since we're both working on this Erich Dieckmann project. You've already read that we take a different approach on dewiki. Now the question: why was Ariegel's post considered vandalism? What do you want to delete, and what happens next? Please clear up any misunderstandings. Which hook and which image will be selected, since this is the issue at hand! I kindly ask for your support, and if I can help, please ping me!Birkho (talk) 09:08, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "Wikipedia:Did you know nominations/..." page wasn't vandalism, but was a duplicate (nominations belong at "Template:Did you know nominations/...") and was deleted as housekeeping. I will examine the hooks at a later date.--Launchballer00:33, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that many seminaries have replaced the term missiology with intercultural studies to reflect changing approaches to global Christianity?
Source: Kollman, Paul (19 December 2022). "Defining Mission Studies for the Third Millennium of Christianity". In Kirsteen Kim; Alison Fitchett-Climenhaga (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Mission Studies. Oxford Handbooks. Oxford University Press.
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Created by Austiñobobbiño (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the Delmass cave features a 14-metre-tall (46 ft) stone façade with multiple levels of windows and arrowslits built into the cliffside? Source: Frangieh 2014 & Baroudi 1998
ALT1: ... that local legends claim “bandit-monks” once lived in the Delmass cave, shoeing their horses backwards to mislead pursuers? Source: Baroudi 1998
... that in the 1920s, the Romanian government discreetly encouraged right-wing radicalism as a counter-revolutionary measure to combat socialist organizations and Bolshevik subversion?
Source: "Corneliu Zelea Codreanu: Ascensiunea și căderea «Căpitanului»", p. 49
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Created by Cristian9343 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that one of Michael Tene's examiners attended his thesis defense right after a government cabinet meeting? Source: Basri, Faisal (2020). "Pembangunan Berkelanjutan 2045: Tanggapan Atas Orasi 90 Tahun Prof. Emil Salim". 90 Tahun Prof. Emil Salim: Pembangunan Berkelanjutan Menuju Indonesia Tinggal Landas 2045 [90 Years of Prof. Emil Salim: Sustainable Development Towards Indonesia's Take-Off 2045] (PDF) (in Indonesian). Jakarta: Yayasan KEHATI. p. 54. ISBN 978-623-7041-03-0.
Source: Webber, Christopher (2002). The Zarzuela Companion. Maryland: Scarecrow Press, Inc. p. 33. ISBN 0-8108-4447-8.
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Comment: I technically did my first large update to the page 8 days ago, but I did not know of DYK criteria before then and I've been doing a large-scale rewrite of the page over the course of the past week. I still have more I want to do, but for now, I'd like to nominate it for inclusion in DYK while its still somewhat eligible.
5x expanded by The Robot Parade (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Burger Continental catered political fundraisers, the O. J. Simpson trial, and health department gatherings before it was shut down for health code violations?
@DraconicDark: This article looks to be in mostly very good shape. It was recently translated from the German Wikipedia article, which met their equivalent of a Good Article review. No issues with copyright violations, plagiarism, Original Research, NPOV violations, or other policy concerns that would be a dealbreaker for DYK. This is the editor's first DYK so no review is required for QPQ.I do see several issues for DYK guidelines that are all fixable. First, the article uses a mixture of inline citations and general references. WP:DYKCITE says that body content outside of the lead and other summaries "must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph". So for example, the section Vindelev Hoard#Discovery is mostly fine, but the source for "The ensemble is of exceptional archaeological importance. No other saucer-sized gold discs like those from Vindelev have been found to date. The craftsmanship of the jewelry also surpasses that of other finds." is currently not cited inline (I assume it is one of the general references at the bottom of the page). To run on DYK, sections like that will need to be followed with an inline citation. The two hook facts "should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear to meet WP:DYKHFC. For example, the plowing citation looks reliable and backs up the hook fact, but it is currently only a general reference and not cited inline. Finally, the hook and article should both match the source regarding the "oldest known reference" to Odin. Right now the article hedges with "may be". So overall this is nearly there and already quite solid. When you're ready for me to take another look, or if you have any questions, feel free to {{ping}} me here. Rjjiii (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Apologies for the late response, I have had a busy last couple of weeks and haven't had a chance to get to this. I have started working on it now, and should hopefully get it done this week. DraconicDark (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Cheney Lively was the first Black property owner and permanent resident of Indianapolis, Indiana?
Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37
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Created by Ssafder (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This is not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, "first" hooks are now discouraged on DYK unless such claims have airtight sourcing. Right now, the claim that Lively was the first black permanent resident of Indianapolis is unreferenced; however, even if it was, the claim is so exceptional that it is unlikely to gain consensus. Please propose a different hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Cheney Lively was the only Black female head of household in Indianapolis listed in the 1830 census?
Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37
Created two days before the DYK nom, long enough, ITN appearance was a RD so eligible, and QPQ not needed. Article is sourced seems PAG compliant, for the most part (see final sentence). Hook checks out and is interesting (though I note that it's a over six decade career, not seven). That being said, there is a decent amount of close paraphrasing from the Spanish language sources. Specifically, compare phrasese like falleció este martes 23 de septiembre a los 83 años tras atravesar una prolongada enfermedad que lo mantuvo alejado de la vida pública en los últimos meses de [29] with Romero died on 23 September 2025, at the age of 83, after a prolonged illness that had kept him away from public life in his final months from the article, compare with Estando en su primer año en la Universidad, en la Facultad de Letras, con unos compañeros presentaron una obra de teatro. El decano de la Facultad al ver el entusiasmo de los alumnos contrató a Ricardo Blume como su profesor de Teatro from the source[30] and During his first year, while enrolled in the Faculty of Letters, he and several classmates staged a play. Impressed by their enthusiasm, the dean appointed Ricardo Blume as their theatre instructor as examples; given that these are individual sentences, they aren't so bad, but there's ways to rewrite them, Moonswimmer. To fix these issues, the WMF has a training module that explains them much better than I can: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training/editing-wikipedia/plagiarism . You can also read WP:FIXCLOSEPARA, the subsection of the close paraphrasing essay that tells you how to fix the issues. Let me know when you've done that, and I'll give the article a second look (or, failing that, return it for another reviewer) GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋02:46, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: [31] «En la denominación de la compañía [...] el significado intrínseco de la palabra voltio» El “voltio” es la unidad [...] para medir el potencial eléctrico [...]. Translation: «In the name of the company [...] the intrinsical meaning of the word voltio» The volt is the unit [...] to measure the electric potential.
ALT1: ... that Voltio(cars pictured) has the biggest car fleet in Spain? Source: [32] Voltio se consolida como el servicio de coche compartido líder en España al poseer la mayor flota del país. Voltio consolidates itself as the leader of carsharing in Spain as it has the biggest fleet in the country.
ALT2: ... that Voltio's name derives from an expression that translates to "going for a walk"? Source: [33] [El nombre] se complementa con el significado coloquial 'darse un voltio', salir de algún lugar para dar una vuelta. [The name] complements with the coloquial meaning of 'darse un voltio', meaning to go for a walk.
... that Tess Johnston pioneered the study of the pre-1949 Western architecture of Shanghai?
Source: "Tess, who died this week at 93, had arrived in September 1981 with the U.S. Foreign Service to work at the U.S. Consulate. That wonderful Western architecture would captivate her for the rest of her long life and keep her in Shanghai for 35 years, pioneering the study of Old Shanghai and becoming the expert on the pre-1949 Western presence." ChinaFile
Source: Galbraith, Stuart (2002). The Emperor and the Wolf:The Lives and Films of Akira Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune. USA: Faber and Faber. p. 473. ISBN0-571-19982-8.
... that South African former political prisoner and reggae musician James Mange formed a soccer-themed political party to compete in the country's first democratic election?
... that when advocating for the introduction of dental hygienists to New Zealand, Angela Pack(pictured) called the New Zealand Dental Council Board “lily-livered chickens”? Source: "...older practitioners did not want to delegate periodontal treatment to a hygienist... After huge initial enthusiasm from Board members, the chairman (an older practitioner) tactically deferred the vote on this critically important decision until the very end of a long and tiring meeting. Angela felt the momentum for hygienist training had evaporated. She therefore asked the male Board members “why they were behaving like a load of lily-livered chickens” when they had all been so enthusiastic the previous day"[1]
ALT1: ... that periodontist Angela Pack(pictured) called the New Zealand Dental Council Board “lily-livered chickens”? Source: as above
ALT2: ... that Angela Pack's(pictured) interview for a lectureship in New Zealand was conducted in a London pub? Source: "Angela applied for a Lectureship in Periodontology at the University of Otago in New Zealand, for which a notice had circulated at RDH. Allowable in those days, her interview was a lunch time chat in a smoke-filled pub with Professor Alister Smilie from Otago University, on sabbatical leave in London."[2]
... that the bucktooth tetra is used to clean dishes by local people living around the rivers in which it occurs?
Source: https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/exodon-paradoxus/ "Apparently, locals living in areas where the species is common place dirty pans and dishes into the water and the fish perform a useful task by picking every scrap of food from them!"
I'm not comfortable with asserting that Tilly Norwood exists, actually. I'm also not comfortable with the article using gendered pronouns for the Tilly construct. DS (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your discomfort comes without justification and is inconsistent with you using the term "Tilly construct" for a subject you claim doesn't exist. If you're right then what are you talking about? This sentence exists, pictures exist, stories exist, your prejudice exists and line blurring metafictions like Tilly exist. 2A02:C7E:205B:3D00:ADF7:E53:C019:2ACB (talk) 09:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA's criticism of the character seems more significant than unnamed "multiple Hollywood actresses". Listing the names of notable actresses could also make it a better hook. FallingGravity01:58, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA isn't likely to mean anything to anyone unfamiliar with the industry. Naming the actresses might add interest, but I'm disinclined to go there given what happened at Michelle Pfeiffer (Ethel Cain song). As for the gendered pronouns, I've said my piece at the talk page, in as much that (in my opinion) avoiding their use would be silly.--Launchballer04:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We could run ALT2: ... that the talk page for Wikipedia's article about Tilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "a fascinating window into the semantic debates that our society is facing more broadly" as a result of AI? on 15 January, Wikipedia's 25th. (I'm guessing I can't nominate a talk page and run it as a double nom?)--Launchballer14:42, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(seeing this DYK on the article TP). I do think that ALT1 is very good - this whole area is scary, but that is the point and that hook captures it perfectly. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:23, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I strongly object to this item appearing on DYK at all. Documenting the existence of "TillyNorwood.exe", sure. Taking any further steps to promote it in the public consciousness and thereby boost its commercial viability — and don't bullshit yourself, that's exactly what this would be doing — no. Same reason we don't have DYKs on political candidates when they're running for office. DS (talk) 15:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, WP:DYKNOT dictates that we must not provide inappropriate advantage for commercial/political causes. It also says "it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest". Norwood is not a cause.-Launchballer07:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're convinced that you absolutely must slobber in adulation all over Xicoia/Particle6, fine. ALT1b: that the creation of Tilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "really, really scary"?
Overall: Well, one day out of the limit doesn't hurt anyone. IMO the age itself is not interesting - however, being the youngest state leader is. Unfortunately that currently has a CN tag in the article. @BeanieFan11: if you can find sourcing that he's the youngest, that would be great - if not, start thinking of new hooks. jolielover♥talk12:52, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the "No Toilet, No Bride" campaign encouraged women to demand a toilet as a precondition for marriage?
Source: Stopnitzky, Yaniv (2017-07-01). "No toilet no bride? Intrahousehold bargaining in male-skewed marriage markets in India". Journal of Development Economics. 127: 269–282. doi:10.1016/j.jdeveco.2017.04.003. ISSN 0304-3878.
Source: From the Grammys website: "According to the book Coldplay: Look at the Stars, 'Politik' was heavily inspired by the September 11 attacks." [34]
From the book "Look at the Stars" by Gary Spivack (p. 80): "Many of the new songs, including 'Politik,' were a direct result of the events of 9/11. In interviews, Martin will say 'Politik' is an 'ode' to 9/11 and how life cannot be taken for granted." [35]
ALT1: ... that the Coldplay song "Politik" was written on September 11, 2001, and recorded two days later? Source: From the book "Look at the Stars" by Gary Spivack (p. 80): "Martin will say 'Politik' is an 'ode' to 9/11 and how life cannot be taken for granted. 'I wrote the song on 9/11 and we recorded it on 9/13. We were all, like everyone else I suppose, a little confused and frightened.'" [36]
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Comment: One thing I am uncertain about — the article uses DMY dates, so how should dates be formatted in the hook? I assume MDY is fine as that is how 9/11 is known. Also, I should note — for some bizarre reason, the entirety of the book "Look at the Stars" misspells Politik as "Politix." It's unfortunate because, otherwise, the book is incredibly well-researched and features extensive interviews with the band, but I just wanted to flag that as a reviewer may notice as they check the sources. I assume it is some kind of formatting error in the book. I have spelled the song correctly above for the purpose of clarity. Hope that is OK! Finally, I noticed the copyvio score is fairly high but I believe it is a false positive due to the use of quotes... I think that's OK?
Converted from a redirect by Veggiegalaxy (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
I think it should be clear it's very heavily unlikely to survive. It will almost certainly get deleted or merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:11, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the sourcing, I don't see any mentions at WP:SCHOLARSHIP that says that Bachelor theses are unreliable. I admit that there were too many positive quotes, but as of my comment, I think that these concerns have been dealt with. If on its own the hook does not provide enough context, it could be added that she was also for 28 years, the last Ecuadorian tennis player to qualify for the Olympics (e.g. "...that María Cabrera was the first Ecuadorian table tennis player to participate in the Olympics and became the last to do so until 28 years later?"), since that's pretty much what she's most famous for. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that nearly 30% of the population of General Mansilla, Argentina was found to have Enterobius vermicularis, a parasitic disease? Source: Pezzani BC, Minvielle MC, de Luca MM, Cordoba MA, Apezteguia MC, Basualdo JA. Enterobius vermicularis infection among population of General Mansilla, Argentina. World J Gastroenterol. 2004 Sep 1;10(17):2535-9. doi: 10.3748/wjg.v10.i17.2535. PMID: 15300899; PMCID: PMC4572156.
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Created by Lynch44 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: Downen, Mark R. (2004). North Cascades National Park High Lakes Fishery Management: Historic, Current, and Proposed Future Management of Sport Fish in High-Elevation Park Lakes (PDF) (Report). Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. https://www.watrailblazers.org/science/ncnpfishmgmtrpt.pdf (page 25)
Starting note, the article title should likely be adjusted to reflect several other notable Silver Lakes are present in Washington--Kevmin§16:48, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article expansion new enough and long enough. Article is fully cited and neutrally written. Portions of the history section are veering close to CLOP status however with the Silver Lake Natural Resource Area source and should be wordsmithed.--Kevmin§18:50, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The second half of sentence two, the fourth sentence and the last sentence are all very close paraphrases which should be reworded. (Also as a basic note, be cageful not to post below the end of the template here, I've move a couple of your replies up to make sure the templating isn't broken by accident.)--Kevmin§16:44, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How does this meet WP:DYKINTEREST? organisms disappearing from certain areas, especially human impacted ones, is pretty normal. (t · c) buidhe19:16, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
French SS volunteers photographed during a German propaganda campaign.
... that recruitment for the French SS Volunteer Assault Brigade was promoted through a Waffen-SS exhibition in Paris that attracted thousands of visitors daily?
Quote (translated from French): "From 1943, another combat unit was looking for French recruits, the Waffen-SS. (…) In January 1944, a photographic exhibition in its glory was held in Paris for ten days. To the great pleasure of the German organisers, around 2,000 people visited it every day."
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Improved to Good Article status by Aeengath (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that Taylor Swift reimagined the fate of Shakespeare's Ophelia by saving her from tragedy, and portraying her in the music video which was presented theatrically?
... that Eschiva of Montbéliard left her children, fled to Buffavento Castle(pictured) disguised as a monk, brought ample provisions, and joined an old knight in defending it?
Source: "The lady Echive de Montbeliard, widow of Gerard de Montaigu, and but recently married to Sir Balian d’lbelin, had with her children sought shelter in the Hospital; soon, however, leaving her children behind and abandoning her fief, she escaped, disguised as a friar minor, to Buffavento, which an old knight, Guinart de Conches, was holding for the King. She provisioned it, and made preparations for its defence." (Hill 2010, pp. 113–114.)
"Buffavento, the most impregnable of all, to which the lady Eschiva of Montbéliard, King Henry's cousin and Odo's niece, fled disguised as a monk, with ample provisions, and which she held for the King." (Runciman 1989, p. 198.)
"Guinart of Conches and Balian of Ibelin's wife, Eschiva of Montbeliard, defended themselves in the nearby castle of Buffavento." (Edbury 1991, p. 64.)
... that diplomatic relations between Barbados and Indonesia were initiated by ambassador Priyo Iswanto with the help of Canada's high commissioner to Barbados? Source: Iswanto, Priyo (2023-12-01), Diplomasi Tiga Zaman pengalaman 36 tahun dalam diplomasi bilateral dan multilateral (in Indonesian), UMMPress, ISBN 978-979-796-842-7
Overall: @Jeromi Mikhael: The articles look good, nice work. Do you think you could paste a relevant quote from the book verifying the hook, since I am unable to read it myself? (I think there's a rule now against "AGF" approving hooks.) Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:50, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that one study suggests that the buddy breathing technique needs to be practised twenty times to be reasonably successful? Source: Egstrom, Glen H (1992). "Emergency air sharing"(PDF). South Pacific Underwater Medicine Society Journal. 22 (4). Retrieved 2013-12-18.
Comment: QPQ will be done in due course. If ALT1 is chosen, we can change this to a multi-article nomination and bold-link the article Zafire Hatun (which was written alongside this one) and I can do a second review. Note to reviewer - feel free to suggest alternative hooks if any other particular details in these two articles stand out to you - I'm open to ideas.
Created by Xwejnusgozo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.
QPQ: - ? Overall: Everything appears to be properly sourced and this article was recently created. This is a very interesting historical character and the hooks are great. Ping me when you do the QPQ. Jon698 (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Tzuyang has a stomach size 40% larger than others of her size, helping her to stay slender despite binge eating constantly? Source: "Doctors have revealed that her stomach is 40 per cent larger than the average size for someone of her stature, and even exceeds that of many adult men." SCMP
ALT1 ... that Tzuyang started streaming herself binge-eating online to finance her large appetite? Source: "쯔양은 지난해 한 방송에 출연해 "대학 시절 자취를 하면서 생활비가 부족할 정도로 식비가 나가다 보니까 주변에서 먹방을 해보라고 추천했고 사실 하루 만원만 벌면 좋겠다는 마음으로 시작했다". (Google translation: Tzuyang appeared on a broadcast last year and said, "When I was living alone in college, I had to spend so much money on food that I didn’t even have enough money to live on, so people around me recommended that I try mukbang. I actually started it with the thought that it would be nice to earn just 10,000 won a day,")" Maeil
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Created by Robertsky (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT0 seems medically dubious and doesn't make sense. Having a large stomach would make it possible to eat more at once, but how is it related to calorie expenditure? (t · c) buidhe19:10, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "The first published imprint known from the region now called Alabama is a pamphlet-long satire, in verse, by Lewis Sewall about Colonel James Caller's 1813 skirmish with the Redstick Creeks at Burnt Corn Creek." Found on page 181 of Gregory Waselkov's 2006 work "A Conquering Spirit: Fort Mims and the Redstick War of 1813–1814."
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Improved to Good Article status by Dofftoubab (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
New enough in the sense that it was promoted to GA on 5 October; certainly long enough and well-written. The hook is excellent, and supported by an inline citation to a reliable source (offline source accepted in good faith). No QPQ needed, no image. This should be good to go. Yakikaki (talk) 19:41, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: The Television [ja] (link): （『エヴァンゲリオン』の中で）ミサトさんがシンジ君を見守るように、すず子には雀さんを見守っていてほしいですし、私の幼少期から人生にかけて、ずっとそばにいた『セーラームーン』のように、すず子には雀さんのそばにいてほしいなという思いからお願いしました。[Just as Misato (from Evangelion) watches over Shinji, I wanted Suzuko to watch over Suzume, and just like how Sailor Moon was always by my side in my childhood, I wanted Suzuko to be by Suzume's side, so I asked [Kotono Mitsuishi].]
Comment: I know that DYK likes to have an image, and this isn't the best image imaginable; it's just the only non-copyright image I could find of the singer around the right time. I'd be fine running it without an image if that's allowable. Note: most of the sources in this article are in Portuguese; I added an English-language source for the main DYK hook here to make it easier to review!
Created by Kenirwin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.
Clear at 100px: - Image is quite grainy and it's rather superfluous to the hook.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Article was created on 5 October 2025, and is 755 words (4,535 characters) in length. It is fully sourced, neutral, and free from plagiarism. The hooks are cited and interesting, although I think ALT0 is more interesting. QPQ is done. It's unclear whether the photograph is in the public domain in the US, as no US-PD tag has been provided; it's also rather low-res so unclear at a small size. The image is unnecessary to the hook, as it doesn't really provide any visual context for the hook. I can approve the nomination if the image is removed. Grnrchst (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article notes: "For the best look at the sheep, Nielsen recommends bringing a chair or sitting under a park shelter and waiting quietly. If you’re still enough, they will wander within a few feet of you to munch on grass. Start moving around or edging closer, and they will pull away."
The article notes: "The Boulder City Art Guild hosted Artful Arty’s Kids Drawing Day at Hemenway Park Saturday, as nearly two dozen elementary students came out to learn tips on open air art, with hopes of using bighorn sheep as live models. ... The bighorn sheep usually make their way down out of mountains when the temperatures start hitting 90 degrees, according to Leslie Paige, a naturalist and artist who works for the National Park Service and volunteered to teach the children some techniques for drawing wild animals."
The article notes: "“I’d be opposed to Hemenway Park because of bighorn sheep and with all the softball tournaments that go on down there, especially on Sundays,” added Councilman Matt Fox. “I’d be interested in looking at the skate park.”"
The article notes: "Hemenway Valley Park is a 10-acre park in Boulder City with a playground, horseshoe pits, picnic shelters and two tennis courts. For animal lovers, there’s green grass to sit on while watching desert bighorn sheep graze and lie around."
ALT3: ... that Hemenway Park has both a playground and bighorn sheep? Source: Same sources as ALT1 and ALT2.
... that the archaeologist Arne Furumark was originally intended for a career in business, until he visited the British Museum as a teenager?
Source: Nylander, Carl (1983). "Furumark, Arne". Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademiens Årsbok 1983 [Royal Academy of Literature, History and Antiquities Yearbook 1983] (in Swedish). Stockholm: Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademien. p. 34. ISBN91-7402-123-0.
I literally just edit conflicted with you while reviewing a DYK hook... and then edit conflicted again to create this nomination. What are the odds? Anyway, I was actually about to suggest this hook:
... that Sidney Gish(pictured) started an internship that involved finding new musicians, the same week that Spotify featured her as a new musician?
... that Tanguturi Prakasam(stamp pictured), a leader of the Indian independence movement, later became a significant dissenting figure within the Indian government?
Source:
Koteswaramma, Kondapalli (2015). The Sharp Knife of Memory. Translated by Sowmya, V. B. Zubaan Books. ISBN9789384757885.
ALT1: ... that the Indian nationalist Tanguturi Prakasam(stamp pictured) earned the epithet "Lion of Andhra" after daring colonial police to shoot him in the chest? Source:
Source: Sala, M.; Gallo, C.; Sayigh, A. A. M. (22 February 1999). Architecture - Comfort and Energy. Elsevier. p. 112. ISBN978-0-08-056060-1. The roof of the Dammuso is made by a barrel vault externally waterproofed, and shaped to collect rainwater to be stored in an underground cistern.
ALT1: ... that traditional stone houses on the island of Pantelleria(pictured) passively maintain an internal temperature 8 °C (14 °F) cooler in the summer than the ambient air temperature? Source: Sala, M.; Gallo, C.; Sayigh, A. A. M. (22 February 1999). Architecture - Comfort and Energy. Elsevier. p. 112. ISBN978-0-08-056060-1. Dammuso, the typical dwelling of the island of Pantelleria, represents an example of spontaneous architecture of bio-climatic inspiration. The climate of the island presents a high temperature, ranging from 34 degrees C in August [...] Measurements taken on the interior of a typical Dammuso during the month of August, show a fairly constant temperature of 26 degrees C, during both the night and day.
Comment: If you have access, the cited source can be viewed via Wikipedia Library. The value in ALT1 is derived via subtraction, which is allowed in the article, but I don't see it covered in the DYK guidelines one way or the other. If that is frowned upon, feel free to disregard it.
Converted from a redirect by Rjjiii (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that “...Your mind is caged, let it free. My body is not, let it be … My choice: to love a man, or a woman, or both. Remember, you are my choice. I’m not your privilege. ..." is from 2015 Film My Choice?
ALT2: ... that “2015 film My Choice features music by French composer Mathias Duplessy, using percussion instruments for acoustics along with Mongolian Tuvan throat singing technique?
ALT3:... that The rise of neoliberal feminism, as seen in film My Choice, stems from complex gender constructions across states, markets, and civil societies encompassing multiple ideological intersections?
Source: Secondary: Chakraborty, Gauri D. (24 March 2023). "6. New Feminist Visibilities and Sisterhood: Re-interpreting Marriage Desire and Self-Fulfillment in mainstream Hindi Cinema" (PDF). In Chakraborty Paunksnis, Runa; Paunksnis, Šarūnas (eds.). Gender, Cinema, Streaming Platforms: Shifting Frames in Neoliberal India. Germany: Springer International Publishing. pp. 154, 155. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-16700-3_6. ISBN 978-3-031-16700-3
ALT4: ... that Lyrics of 2015 film My Choice were written by Kersi Khambatta?
Comment: Alt options added manually since nomination form did not work. Alt3 wording is bit changed than that of article to save on length. Bookku (talk) 10:53, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Bookku (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Comment: I'm sure ALT3 and ALT4 aren't going to cut it; ALT3 is tangeltially related to the film, and ALT4 is of special interest and doesn't appeal to many. Roast (talk) 21:37, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Roast. Thanks for your comment. Alt3 is academic explanation about rise of women centric films post 2010. In popular imagination people relate lyric with the actress Deepika Padukone or the Director, ALT4 helps correct that perception. As you say may be Alt3 and Alt4 caters to audience which is already exposed to the film.
If need be couple of more Alts can be created, but if any of first three hook are ok then that will not be immediate concern, I suppose. Bookku (talk) 03:44, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To those having music related curiosity Alt2 might sound relatively more interesting, but this DYK's purpose is to focus on the film and not the music. I hope reviewers will take note of this aspect while taking the call. Bookku (talk) 06:07, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Lick Creek African American Settlement". www.fs.usda.gov. April 14, 2025. Archived from the original on October 1, 2025. Retrieved 2025-07-09.
ALT1: ... that a graveyard near Paoli, Indiana is the only standing evidence of the integrated Lick Creek, Indiana settlement? Source: Robbins, Coy (1994). Forgotten Hoosiers: African Heritage in Orange County, Indiana. Bowie, Maryland: Heritage Books. pg. 28. ISBN 0788400177.
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Moved to mainspace by DeishaJ (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Source: "Mbuyi Bipungu was born in the Democratic Republic of Congo and served as a Roman Catholic priest before being received into the Anglican Church of the Congo in 2014.... Besides being a francophone, Mbuyi Bipungu is fluent in three Congolese languages (he spoke Lingala as a child at home) and is conversant in Haitian Creole and English."
Comment: The subject is likely to be the newest bishop for the duration of the DYK review/approval process as no elections or consecrations are scheduled in the coming months.
Moved to mainspace by Dclemens1971 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Not a full review (not familiar with the sourcing in this area), but Alt0 isn't backed up by the source. Your L1 is a language you acquire, essentially, at a young age - which in Mbuyi Bipungu's case is going to be Lingala and likely French or another Congolese language. Your L2 is, essentially, any language you learn that isn't your native one. (So "did not speak English as his first, second" would visit ERRORS) Sometimes people wrangle out a definition of third language acquisition, but when they do it refers to the acquisition of a language by somebody who is already multi-lingual, and it's not exactly always consistent and is pretty much a subsection of second language acquisition. If I had to make up a definition of "fifth language", I'd say people would expect it to be the language that somebody learnt, well, fifth - which the source doesn't back up. (Also, the source doesn't say when he learnt English, so as far as I know it could be his first language, he could just be really bad at it. I mean, I don't think it is given that he grew up in the DRC, but I know plenty of people who are very weak in their L1.) GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋20:50, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Regrettably, as the nomination is already over two months old and this remains unresolved, this is now being timed out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:27, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. QPQ checks out and so does Earwig. No reason why this might deserve a maintenace template. Your newest ALT is slightly better (it's been edited to include the word 'reportedly'), although it requires knowledge of what the Malacanang Palace is.--Launchballer 18:26, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
I must ask for another reviewer.--Launchballer 23:23, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
Technically this was not a new article but split from Alleged ouster plots against Rodrigo Duterte. There probably should have been some attribution mentioned in the original creation over the redirect as some content got moved from that page (although it was substantially reworked so not a direct copy paste). As such I wouldn't consider this "new". The amount of text is also not a five time expansion of the text that once existed there as it is not all that much longer. However, since this split article passed a GA review in the nomination window it is eligible for DYK as a new GA article. The article appears to be within policy. No copyright violations detected. ALT3 seems interesting and usable. The only problem I see is that the ALT3 hook fact is not directly stated in this language in the article. Reading between the lines, the facts contained in the hook are present with inline citations to reliable sources but not stated so obviously in the body that it is ready for the DYK tick of approval. I think we need a sentence that says this fact more clearly with an inline citation in order to pass WP:DYKHOOKCITE. This should be a fairly simple fix requiring minor editing. @TheNuggeteer: Let me know when the language of the Alt3 hook fact is more directly stated in the article with an inline citation and I will approve this. Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 20:00, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
New enough, Long enough. Well-souced and neutral, I fixed the duplicate citation. 7.4% on Earwig. Hook is interesting, cited and in the article. QPQ is done. Good to go then. Good Job Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 02:57, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Reviewing for promotion, and I find this hook unsupported and somewhat deceptive. The article says: 
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, QPQ not needed, sourced and appears in article, the first hook seems boring but the second hook works, new enough (same day nom) and long enough, cant really check for COPYVIO's due to language differences so ill AGF. I did a few minor copy editing on the page so everything seems good to go Olliefant (she/her) 02:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
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I had to do a few edits to fix some very minor copyvio, but it's now looking good to me. I don't find the hook very interesting as-is, but would be happy with:
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Nominated on day of move to mainspace; appropriately sourced and NPOV maintained; Copyvio Detector comes up clear. The photo, taken by the nominator, is lovely. Unfortunately, neither hook is particularly interesting. Most every notable mountain is a principal feature of something or other, and ALT0 provides reason to be intrigued by either the mountain or the Republic Mining District. Meanwhile, ALT1 is unimpressive; it is not at all unusual for a mountain to have at least one precipitous side and often more. Any other ideas? Minor copyediting needed on the article (missing period, principle vs principal in the hook statement in the article) Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Reviewing.... Congratulations on achieving GA status for this article. I will be happy to review this weekend, and post my comments by Sunday. Flibirigit (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
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Doing... I will do this later today if possible. Very interesting subject. Earth605talk 05:46, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
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